November 19, 1909

CON

John Dowsley Reid

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. D. REID.

Do I understand the minister to say that he can enter into a lease and practically purchase a railway without first submitting the lease for the approval of parliament?

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

Oh, no; the lease does not become operative until it is ratified by parliament.

Mr. J, D. REID. That is better.

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Motion agreed to, and Bill read the first time.


BANK ACT-AMENDMENT.

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Hon. W. S.@

SHARPE (North Ontario) moved for leave to introduce Bill (No. 18) to amend the Bank Act.

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LIB
CON

Samuel Simpson Sharpe

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. S. SHARPE.

The object of the Bill is to provide that all stock on which no dividend has been claimed for upwards of six years shall be transferred to the government as trustees; that dividends on that stock which have not been paid for upwards of six years shall also be transferred to the government as trustees, and that balances remaining unclaimed in a chartered bank for upwards of six years shall be transferred to the government as trustees. The Bill also provides that should

any person afterwards establish a legal right to these balances or to the stock the government will pay the accumulated interest at the rate of three per cent.

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Motion agreed to, and Bill read the first time.


GOVERNMENT RAILWAY EMPLOYEES' PROVIDENT FUND.

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Hon. GEO P.@

GRAHAM moved for leave to introduce Bill (No. 19) to amend the Intercolonial and Prince Edward Island Railways Employees' Provident Fund Act. He said: the object of this Bill is to reduce the time of service required before an employee of either of these lines is entitled, to be placed on the provident fund. During the past few months one of the strongest arguments made in favour of certain employees who have been dropped from the service has been that they were dropped just a short time before they would have been permitted to be placed on the provident fund, thus losing what they had paid in. This Bill is to obviate what might in a measure be an injustice to these old employees.

Topic:   GOVERNMENT RAILWAY EMPLOYEES' PROVIDENT FUND.
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Motion agreed to, and Bill read the first time.


THE IMPERIAL DEFENCE CONGRESS.

CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. GEO. E. FOSTER (North Toronto).

Before the orders of the day are called, I would like to ask the Prime Minister one or two questions with reference to the papers brought down as to the conference in London. In looking them over, it seems to me that they are incomplete. For instance, I was very anxious to find out what was the position taken by New Zealand and the position taken by Australia in reference to the provision that should be made for aiding in the imperial defence. I find nothing in the papers which gives any information as to that. The other day the Prime Minister spoke of what New Zealand and Australia were going to do and read an article from a newspaper. That, lie knows is not the best kind of information for us to go on. I supposed that when these papers came down, we would see accurately, as we see in the case of Canada, what. Australia and New Zealand proposed to do. It struck me that this paper was prepared for consumption in Canada, and therefore that the parts relating to Australia and New Zealand were not included. I may be wrong in that. The other point on which I would like to ask for further information, if it can be brought down, is this: I find that there are in that report allusions to the admiralty trying to meet, as far as they could, the wishes of Canada; but I do not find in these papers any expression of what the wishes of Canada were; and that is somewhat vital, I think, to an understand-

mg of the whole question. Are there not some lacunas which might be filled up?

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

All the papers, as far as I know, and I think I am correctly informed, have been brought down, with the exception of the deliberations of the imperial conference So far as we are concerned, we have no objection to these being brought down, but I understand that objections come from other parties. The deliberations of the imperial conference, comprising all the self-governing dominions-New Zealand, Australia, South Africa and Canada-have not been given to the public.

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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

Then Australia and New Zealand will get information from the papers laid on the tables of their houses which we have not got?

Topic:   THE IMPERIAL DEFENCE CONGRESS.
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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

No. There was a separate conference with the admiralty by Australia and one by New Zealand.

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LIB

Louis-Philippe Brodeur (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Hon. L. P. BRODEUR (Minister of Marine _ and Fisheries).

We did not get permission to bring down the papers with regard to Australia and New Zealand. I suppose we might inquire from the imperial authorities whether there would be any objection to bringing down those papers. The papers brought down are those which have_ been sent here by thp imperial authorities. The proceedings of the imperial conference and the papers laid before the conference are secret, and cannot be brought down.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

I understood that the papers already brought down were the proceedings of the conference. By the word proceedings, does the hon. gentleman mean the oral deliberations of the conference ?

Topic:   THE IMPERIAL DEFENCE CONGRESS.
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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

Yes.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

These are not before us at all?

Topic:   THE IMPERIAL DEFENCE CONGRESS.
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November 19, 1909