May 19, 1909

CONFERENCE ON IMPERIAL DEFENCE


Right hon. Sir WILFRID LAURIER (Prime Minister). Before the orders of the day are called, I beg to lay on the table of the House the correspondence between this government and the Colonial Office on the subject to the resolution of the 29th March.


CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

Does the Prime Minister intend to make any further statement later in the session?

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Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

I can summarize the substance of the correspondence. It is stated in this correspondence that the resolution of the House of Commons adopted the 29th of March was transmitted to the Colonial Office; and after that, as my hon. friend remembers, I made a statement in the House that it was our intention, in pursuance of the resolution, to send the Minister of Militia and Defence andthe Minister of Marine and Fisheries toEngland to confer with the imperial government as to the best methods of carrying out the purpose of the resolution. A communication has come since from the Colonial Office suggesting that a subsidiary conference on the lines of the resolution adopted by the Imperial Conference in 1907, might take place in July. To that we have signified our assent, stating that we arenot prepared to offer any opinion on the

subject, but would be ready to send our ministers at any time that might be convenient.

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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

Yesterday I intended to have said a word with reference to Canada s representation at the next conference. I would like to say to my right hon. friend that on the first opportunity on concurrence that takes place, I will make a few remarks. Also with reference to the All Red route.

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THE ALL RED ROUTE.

CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

I would like to have a statement from the Prime Minister as to the position of the project for the All Red route.

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Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

The All Red route stands in this position: We have

sent ^It. Coulter, the Deputy Postmaster General, to Australia to confer with the Australian government as to the possibility of giving effect to the resolution passed last year. Mr. Coulter is now on his way back from Australia, and has not communicated anything definitely on the subject.

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THE FRENCH TREATY.

CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

Before the orders of the day are called I would like to ask the Finance Minister if he has any statement to make to the House with reference to the French Treaty?

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LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

I made a statement at an earlier stage when I expected that by this time the French Chamber of Deputies would have taken action to approve the supplementary treaty, and in that event we would of course proceed immediately to present to the House legislation to ratify the treaty as respects Canada. I stated then that the French chambers had adjourned for a period, and I thought they would resume on the 11th or 12th of May. I thought there would then be ample time for them to take action on the treaty or, at all events, that I might have some intimation from the French authorities that the treaty would be immediately ratified. For that purpose I sent a communication to -the French Minister of Commerce suggesting that he should give me an intimation that the treaty would be approved by

the Chamber of Deputies at an early date, if it was not found possible to deal with it instantlv through other business. I hoped I would receive such an assurance, but I have not received a cablegram to that effect. The Consul General for France at Montreal has communicated with me, and expressed a hope that our government would be able to ratify and approve the treaty. But in view of that fact I had addressed this communication to the French Minister of Commerce and had not received the expected assurance by cable, I thought it would not be wise for us to proceed as respects the approval of the treaty by the parliament of Canada. I am aware that there are many difficulties at present in the French legislative chamber, and many matters have arisen which seem to the French government more urgent, and for that reason the matter has been necessarily set aside by other business. I fully expect however that at an early date the French chambers will complete approval of the treaty, and that when this parliament assembles again we will be in a position to submit a measure for the approval of the later treaty by the parliament of Canada.

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CON

David Henderson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HENDERSON.

In the event of the French chamber approving of the treaty as amended, will our legislation of last year go into effect so far as it is not affected by the amended treaty? m

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William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

No, the treaty goes into- effect after ratification, and the ratification means, not merely the approval by the legislative chambers, but the formal exchange of ratification, as it is called by the diplomatic world, which will have to take place at Paris. Until that formality occurs, the treaty can in no case come into operation. That cannot take place until after the parliament of Canada has approved of the supplementary treaty, and until the French chambers have approved of the supplementary treaty. My view in that respect was that we properly hastened to give approval to the treaty last year, but we found that our French brethren were not able to proceed so rapidlv. We think it is only proper that we should now await their action before asking the parliament of Canada to take further steps.

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Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

I am sorry tha we cannot agree to this motion; the rules of the House must be observed with regard to this Bill. There is strong objection taken to it, and without the unanimous consent we cannot proceed.

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QUESTIONS.

HONORA DOCK, MANITOULIN ISLAND.


Mr. SMYTH-by Mr. Schaffner-asked: t. What were the yearly receipts from the Honora dock, Manitoulin island, during its existence, reported by the wharfinger, and what was the tonnage yearly landed at the dock?


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Hon. L. P. BRODEUR (Minister of Marine and Fisheries): (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

1. Yearly receipts: 1905-6, $19.61; 1906-7, $10.19; 1907-8, $22.94; 1908-9, $13.87. The Department of Marine and Fisheries has no record of the tonnage yearly landed at the dock.

SCHOOL LANDS IN PROVINCE OF ALBERTA. *

Mr. McCARTHY-by Mr. Schaffner-asked:

1. What ia the total area of school lands in the province of Alberta still undisposed of?

2. What is the total amount of the school fund at the present time?

3. What is the total amount of deferred payments on the sale of the said school lands ?

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Hon. FRANK OLIVER (Minister of the Interior): (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

1. Assuming the school lands to comprise one-eighteenth of the total area of the province, that is to say two sections out of thirty-six, the area of school lands still unsold would be approximately 8,312,000 acres.

2. The amount in the Alberta school fund was on March 31, 1909,-$506,581.28. (This is subject to revision on the final adjustment of the revenue for the fiscal year ending March 31, 1909).

3. The total amount of deferred payments on March 31 last was $1,168,523.17. (This amount also is subject to revision on the final adjustment of the revenue for the past fiscal year).

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INCORPORATION OF THE ROYAL GUARDIANS.

May 19, 1909