May 8, 1909

FIRST READINGS.


Bill (No. 180) respecting the Montreal Bridge and Terminal Company.-Mr. Martin. Bill (No. 181) for the relief of Laura Mc-Quoid.-Mr. Nesbitt. Bill (No. 182) for the relief of Fleetwood Howard Ward-Mr. Bradbury. Bill (No. 183) for the relief of Aaron Wm. Morley Campbell.-Mr. W. H. White. Bill (No. 184) for the relief of John Christopher Cowan.-Mr. Turriff.


REFUNDING OF FEES.


Mr. ETHIER moved that the 8th report of the Select Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills be concurred in as follows: Your committee have considered the following Bills and have agreed to report the same without amendment, viz.:- No. 142 (Letter F of the Senate), intituled: ' An Act to incorporate the Governing Council of the Salvation Army in Canada.' No. 136 (Letters GG of the Senate), intituled : ' An Act for the relief of Hannah Ella Tomkins.'No. 157 (Letters 00 of the Senate), intituled: 'An Act for the relief of John Dennison Smith.'As no petition was received in the House within the first six weeks of the session in connection with either of the two last-mentioned Bills, the said Bills became liable to the additional charge of $200 under the provisions of Rule 88 (8), which charge was duly levied and paid in each case; as, however, thecounsel for both the applicants 6tated before your committee that the omission to present the petitions in the House was the result of misleading information furnished him in the Senate, your committee recommend that the said additional charge be refunded in each case.


LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

This is a motion to approve the report of the Select Standing Committee. I beg to move in amendment that the last paragraph of the report be struck out and that the report as amended be agreed to as follows:

As no petition was received in the House within the first six weeks of the session in connection with either of the two last-mentioned Bills, the said Bills became liable to the additional charge of $200 under the provisions of Rule 88 (8), which charge was duly levied and paid in each case; as, however, the counsel for both the applicants stated before your committee that the omission to present the petitions in the House was the result of misleading information furnished him in the Senate, your committee recommend that the said additional charge be refunded in each case.

When the rules were revised, it was provided that the fee on private Bills would be a certain sum, and then, if the Bill were not presented within the time prescribed by the House, there should be an additional charge. This report recommends that the additional fee should not be charged, giving as an excuse that the petitioners were misled by^ the Senate as regards the time within which the petition should be presented. That excuse is not sufficient. We should strictly adhere to the rules.

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Amendment agreed to, and report as amended agreed to.


THE CIVIL SERVICE BILL.

CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

May I be allowed to inquire again with reference to the Civil Service Bill. The point between us two months ago was as to the schedules. We agreed on a form which was to be attached in each case. I remember the conversation which took place. It was understood that a great majority of those schedules would elicit no contention, but there might be some regarding which there would be some contention. Is it possible that the schedules could be laid before the House so that we might have a chance to look over them before the Bill comes up?

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

All the schedules are prepared, so far as the departments are concerned, and I shall be happy to lay them on the table. The schedules for the employees of the House of Commons, the Library and the Printing Committee are already on the table but not adopted. Those of the departments were adopted and passed by the Governor in Council. Those of the House of Commons and the library employees and the employees of the Printing Committee, who are joint employees of the Senate and the House, are now on the table for approval. The employees of the Senate, we have no control over, and their schedules are before the Senate but not yet approved. I will see that the schedules for the departments are laid on the table this afternoon.

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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

I understood last night our arrangement was that those would be taken up on Monday. How much longer are we to delay or is it possible to go on with the legislation, even if the Senate and the government do not come to an agreement. That need not necessitate the delay of the whole Bill or will it?

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

It need not if the House will be willing to have the schedules of the departments put in as the schedules of the Bill and a lump sum granted for the employees of the Senate and this House in those schedules. If the Senate does not adopt the schedules for its employees, we

can make provision for them, as far as we know how.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

What is the difficulty? Is there some difference of opinion between the Senate and the government?

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

The government have nothing whatever to do with the classification of the Senate.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

Why does the Senate not make the classification?

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

I have been speaking to various senators and members of the government in the Senate and have been urging them, but so far without success.

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

As my hon.

friend from North Toronto knows, the Civil Service is. always a difficult matter to deal with.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

If the Senate appropriations are in such a shape that the employees will not be paid until the classification is put through, that might expedite the business.

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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

I see in the press that the difficulty arose because of the objection of the Civil Service Commission to the classification. Has that anything to do with it?

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

Not the slightest. Any such rumour, I am sure, is unfounded.

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MR. W. T. R. PRESTON.

May 8, 1909