May 7, 1909

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Mrj FISHER.

He lives in Caledon, and his work is all there.

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John Barr

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BARR.

Only in that little district? There is no work there. Is he liable to be called out in any direction? It is generally supposed that he is not much away from, home.

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Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

Like all our men, he is liable to be sent, but if not sent he does not go.

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John Barr

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BARR.

Then he receives $1,300 salary and $30 expenses, and has no special territory. What I would like to know is, for instance in the county of Dufferin, who is the proper one to apply to in case of an outbreak of disease in animals? It is a strange thing that these two veterinary inspectors, receiving $1,300 each, live within a few miles of each other, and probably neither of them do very much. Does Mr. Stork travel, or does he inspect the other veterinarians?

Mr. -FISHER. No.

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John Barr

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BARR.

Then why does he travel? They don't know in Brampton what he has to do. What travelling does he do to earn these expenses?

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Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

All such travelling expenses are checked over and proved to be correct.

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John Barr

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BARR.

The cheeking is not very stringently carried out. Nobody there seems to know where he spent the $814.60. Nobody knows that he has been called to go out of the district into the country. There is another question here that troubles me. These two inspectors in Brampton and Caledon are only within a few miles of each other, and the rest of all that vast country in Dufferin county has no government inspection whatever. Of course they are following their profession, to a great extent. But nobody knows in Brampton what W. W. Stork is doing, or how this sum for travelling expenses is made up. I hope the hon. gentleman will bring down a detailed statement of that expenditure. Are both of these men allowed t.o practise their profession?

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Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

Neither of them. Their whole time is devoted to our work. They are not allowed to take fees from anybody else. But I will see that the hon. gentleman gets the particulars.

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William Henry Sharpe

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. W. H. SHARPE.

I would like to know from the minister why they employ

five veterinary surgeons in the city of Winnipeg and pay them over $10,000?

Mr, FISHER. The whole veterinary work for the province of Manitoba is done from the city of Winnipeg.

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William Henry Sharpe

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. W. H. SHARPE.

I have a list here showing that $2,622 are paid to veterinaries outside of the city of Winnipeg. There is one at Emerson, drawing $1,200 a year; there is one at Gretna, drawing $1,200 a year; one at Bannerman, $1,200; one at Oak River, $198; one at Melita, $59; Boisevain, $86; one at Rossburn, $387; one at Portage la Prairie, $300; one at Shoal Lake, $556; one at Hamiota, $44; another at Hamiota, $294; one at Gladstone, $697.

I want to tell the minister that the last year the province of Manitoba handled this department, and all it cost was $3,655, while this government paid out for the same service $14,179. I think we have a right to get an explanation.

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Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

Of course I do not know exactly what the Manitoba government does, or how much it does. We have to deal with the health of animals in Winnipeg and in the province of Manitoba. Winnipeg is the great centre of traffic from the further west eastward, and a large proportion of our inspection work is done in the city of Winnipeg. When an outbreak occurs in any part of the province it is cheaper to send out inspectors from Winnipeg than from any other part. It is true we have some men stationed on the frontier between the United States and Canada to watch the boundary line. I think the men stationed in those places the hon. gentleman mentioned are chiefly engaged in that work. A good deal of the stock that comes from the United States is also inspected at Winnipeg instead of at the boundary, because trains are run directly into Winnipeg.

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William Henry Sharpe

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. W. H. SHARPE.

Immigrants come in sometimes with horses affected with glanders. Looking over the list I find you have only four veterinaries at the international boundary in the whole province of Manitoba. It looks to me as if this money was not being spent in a proper way. I cannot understand why this government should have to spend $14,197 when the Roblin government did the work for a little over $3,000.

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Adam Brown Crosby

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROSBY.

I would like some information on this item of $110,000 for the administration and enforcement of the Meat and Canned Foods Act.

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Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

It is now after six o'clock, and I move that the committee rise and report progress. I will give the hon. member for Halifax (Mr. Crosby) the explanation

he asks for on the supplementary estimates.

Some resolutions reported.

At six o'clock House took recess.

After Recess.

House resumed at eight o'clock.

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ONTARIO AND MICHIGAN POWER COMPANY.


House again in committee on Bill (No. 34) to incorporate the Ontario and Michigan Power Company.-Mr. Conmee.


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Haughton Lennox

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LENNOX.

We will endeavour to carry out the understanding arrived at that although discussion is always legitimate on this side of the House, it will be particularly to-night. We wish to bring certain matters before the attention of the House and, having stated these, we will leave it to the government to decide whether, under all the circumstances, they think this legislation should be passed. I first desire to read a letter from the Attorney General of the province of Ontario to the Minister of Finance, a copy of which has been sent to me. The letter contains the statement that certain copies have been sent out. It reads as follows :

Toronto, May 6, 1908. My dear Mr. Fielding,

Re Ontario and Michigan Power Company.

I observe on page 5554 of the ' Hansard * of May 3, that you made some reference to several days' delay to enable the province of Ontario to present its views, and as the Bill comes up to-morrow, I, at the request of the prime minister of Ontario, send you a hurried memorandum on the subject.

It is somewhat difficult in the short time at our disposal to appreciate the present plight of this Bill, or to present very fully the views of the government on the question.

Even if we assume for the moment the jurisdiction of the parliament of Canada to incorporate this company we nevertheless contend that it has not an exclusive jurisdiction, and that it is also competent for the legislature of Ontario to deal with the matter, and that the company being one with local objects, and proposing to deal with matters which affect the property of the province of Ontario, the parliament of Canada should stay its hand and leave the matter to be dealt with by the legislature of Ontario, a province that is so materially interested.

The claim that the jurisdiction to deal with the matter resides exclusively in the parliament of Canada, is, I understand, rested upon two grounds. The first is that the Pigeon river is an international stream. In our view that does not oust the jurisdiction of the legislature of Ontario. This is not a case in which a treaty or international arrangement is to be made between the governments of the two countries, although it is quite possible the promoters may obtain legis-

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Hugh Guthrie

Liberal

Mr. GUTHRIE.

My hon. friend has mentioned my name in connection with the Canadian Niagara Power Company. My recollection is that I merely asked the postponement of the Bill for a week as I had received a letter from the mayor of Guelph stating that the council desired to look into it to see if it did not interfere with any rights they may have under contract for the supply of power.

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May 7, 1909