May 7, 1909

LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

A cold storage warehouse could be made to freeze just as well as to keep chilled. It is a mere matter of reducing the temperature by increasing the power.

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John Albert Sexsmith

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SEXSMITH.

I see in the Auditor General's Report a charge of $250,000 under the heading of Health of Animals and $52,000 for the development of the live stock industry. Why should the former cost so much more?

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Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

The item regarding health of animals is so large because we have to pay compensation for the slaughtered animals. A few years ago we undertook to stamp out glanders, and some years before hog cholera. We succeeded in stamping out hog cholera practically. I warned the House when we undertook to stamp out glanders, that for some years it would cost as high as $150,000 a year to slaughter and pay compensation for the horses we were obliged to kill. I am glad to say we are reducing that. The year before last the cost was $102,000 and last year a little over $80,000. I hope it will be much more reduced. We have not only had to pay compensation but also to put on a very strong force of watchers along the American frontier. In the Northwest especially, we found the outbreaks of glanders largely traced to horses brought across the line. There seemed to be almost a system of buying suspicious animals in the United States and bringing them over and then when they were tested and found diseased we had to slaughter them and pay compensation. So we had to

Sut on a force to test the horses brought to le country. The last few years we have been testing every horse brought from the United States. It is largely because of this, that the reduction has taken place. I may say to my hon. friend from Qu'Appelle (Mr. Lake) that there were some six dogs shown to be diseased in the neighbourhood 189

of Moosomin and that district was quarantined six months and we required all dogs to be muzzled.

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Richard Stuart Lake

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LAKE.

There was a great deal of comment in Moosomin at the time over this. The expenditure seemed very large for the carrying out of the muzzling order and looking after this work. Two men were employed at $2 a day each. And $4 a day for livery. One man apparently put in 113 days livery -work. What check had the government upon these two men and what special qualifications had they for the work? What were the instructions from the department to the men who were carrying on this work? Had they been told the conditions, it seems to me they would have been able to purchase a team and rig for less than they paid for the horse-hire, and, at the same time, could have handed over the horses and rig to the department. It seems to me a very extravagant expenditure indeed to pay that sum for a continuous service of 113 days. It is hard to credit the statement that it took all that time to properly quarantine even a district of the size the minister has described. There were two men, one employed for 71 days at $2 per day for wages and $4 for a horse, and the other for 113 days at the same rates. It seems to me that the service might have been much less expensively performed.

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Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

We did not know at the time of the outbreak how long it was going to last or how long we should need to maintain this quarantine. I think the rate of $2 a day is not too much for a man competent for that kind of work, especially considering the season of the year.

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

They were good, solid men, who knew the country. Their duty was to drive about and watch for cases of this disease. It was responsible work, and any man above the condition of a labourer would get this amount for his time. As to the time occupied, had we known that the men were to be for months employed, it might have been cheaper to buy a horse, and even if we had to kill it at the end of the time. I do not know what the price of horses was at that time. But $4 a day for a livery rig in the Northwest is not an out-

of-the-way price. We pay $3 here in the east.

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Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

Yes, and if we had known that it would be continuous for so long, we might have done it a little more cheaply, but there was no expectation that it would take so long. These men were under the direction of one of our veterinaries who looked into the matter and signed or .initialled all the accounts. And these men were obliged to report once a week as to where they had been and what they had done.

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Richard Stuart Lake

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LAKE.

Has the minister a statement of the different cases that occurred? As this covers a considerable length of time, there must have been intervals between the cases. How long does it take for the disease to develop?

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Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

I have not the reports under my hand, but they are in the department-every case of disease or even suspicion of the disease. I am informed by the veterinary that the regular period of incubation is three weeks to a year, and we cannot tell whether it is going tq develop or not. Once the disease is introduced into a district, it is a most insidious one, very liable to spread and one the deplorable results of which are well known. I thought that the advantage to be gained through these precautions was well worth the trouble involved.

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Richard Stuart Lake

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LAKE.

I thoroughly agree with the minister on that point; the disease should be stamped out at once. But my impression was, and the impression in the neighbourhood seemed to be, that the inspectors were having a soft snap. I agree that it is necessary to take the most strenuous steps to keep this disease under control. All I say is that every precaution should be taken ' to see that the work should be properly and economically done.

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John Barr

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BARR.

In looking over the expenditures under 'Health of Animals,' I find

Auditor General's Report, page D-52-an item of $1,300 of salary to W. W. Stork, Brampton, inspector. It is shown that he received also expenses $814.60. Just below that, I find that W. W. Stubbs, Caledon, inspector, was paid $1,300 salary and $30 expenses. These two live within a few miles of each other.

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Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

Dr. Stubbs was stationed at one place, while the other man is a travelling inspector who travels all over the province.

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May 7, 1909