April 27, 1909

LIB

John Patrick Molloy

Liberal

Mr. MOLLOY.

I said if my information was correct. But I will challenge the hon. gentleman to this statement: Is it a fact

or is it not that cheques were issued by the provincial government and paid in that constituency between the 20th and 26th October, for public works?

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CON

George Henry Bradbury

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BRADBURY.

The hon. gentleman asks me a question. I want to be honest and frank, I will tell him that I could not answer that question because I do not know.

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LIB

John Patrick Molloy

Liberal

Mr. MOLLOY.

It is sometimes a good thing not to know. There are many things, particularly if your election is contested, that it is better not to know. But there are many things that happen in an election that the other people find out later on.

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Some hon. MEMBERS

Order.

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LIB

John Patrick Molloy

Liberal

Mr. MOLLOY.

I am not charging my good friend from Selkirk with having done anything, far from it, I have great respect for him. I think he did pretty well, but I think he got a lot of help, according to the public accounts investigation held in the last session of the local legislature. Those who had any experience in elections know that 141 cheques of various amounts are likely to be a great factor in an election. Supposing they were paid out in the county of Provencher, they would be a big factor. In that case it would go to my opponent, and in that case there was a certain amount went to my opponent, but it didn't help him very much. The hon. gentleman spoke of the harm that a certain gentleman in Winnipeg did himself. Well, the opinion of the magistrate was that it was not a great offence, because he was only fined the small sum of $20, and there were many men in Manitoba who told me personally that they would be quite willing to pay $50 to do the same job. The hon. members for Manitoba have heard the same thing, no doubt they would willingly have paid $50. As regards the statement that has been made concerning the list in Saskatchewan, I have not heard any complaint made except in the Prince Albert election for the local House, where I believe the facts would rather go to show that the candidate opposing the Scott government was unfairly dealt with in the northern polls. The Liberal legislature, however, gave that gentleman his seat without his having to fight for it. Now my hon. friend from Selkirk resented something that was said about the premier of Manitoba by the hon. mem-oer for Humboldt (Mr. Neely). All I can say is that during the last session of the legislature, Mr. Ross, the member for Springfield in the local House, used words to this effect : * Grant me a committee of investigation, and I will charge that the premier of Manitoba has used his position Mr. BRADBURY.

for his personal enrichment, and if I do not prove that charge, I am not fit to keep my seat in this House.' Will any member from the province of Manitoba deny that those words were used, or words to that effect? I have no quarrel with the premier of Manitoba. He is a political opponent. He will remain that and I will remain what I am, but I simply state what a duly elected and respected member of the legislature of Manitoba said to the premier of that province. What happened? Was there a committee of investigation granted? Not at all.

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CON

George Henry Bradbury

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BRADBUHY.

What was the committee of investigation asked for?

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LIB

John Patrick Molloy

Liberal

Mr. MOLLOY.

The House prorogued next day and it has stood that way ever since.

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CON

George Henry Bradbury

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BRADBURY.

What was the committee of investigation asked for? What was the occasion of it?

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LIB

John Patrick Molloy

Liberal

Mr. MOLLOY.

It was asked for in reference to a statement you made

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LIB

James Kirkpatrick Kerr (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER.

It is irregular to speak in that way.

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LIB

John Patrick Molloy

Liberal

Mr. MOLLOY.

I beg your pardon, Mr. Speaker. It was that the premier of the province of Manitoba was a party in a sand pit which he was using for his personal enrichment and further the member for Springfield, at the nomination in the county represented by the hon. member for Selkirk, stated two weeks ago, that he still stood by the charges made against the premier of Manitoba, that he still would prove that he was a partner in a deal known as the Eli sand pit deal.

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CON

George Henry Bradbury

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BRADBURY.

I thought I had made it veTy plain and frank in my statement. I said that the premier stated that he was a partner in the Eli Sand Company, that he held stock in it, that he had a small interest and that he went into it as a part of his legitimate business.

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LIB

John Patrick Molloy

Liberal

Mr. MOLLOY.

Did he grant a committee of investigation?

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CON

George Henry Bradbury

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BRADBURY.

What for?

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LIB

John Patrick Molloy

Liberal

Mr. MOLLOY.

To inquire whether he used his position for his personal enrichment as the premier of Manitoba. The fact remains that this railway refused to carry the produce of the farmers along its line, but consented to do so about a week before the House prorogued. Now, I may be wrong, but I do not think so. I will let my statement go as being correct. As far as the Department of Justice being prostituted in the interest of the Conservative party is concerned, if I may be permitted to do so I will file a statement.

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CON

Haughton Lennox

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LENNOX.

I rise to a point of order. I let the hon. gentleman go on with this kind of thing before, but I understand that you cannot attack a judge or use offensive language towards any of the Courts in Canada.

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LIB

James Kirkpatrick Kerr (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER.

I have not heard any reference to a judge yet.

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CON

Haughton Lennox

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LENNOX.

The hon. gentleman speaks of the prostitution of justice.

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LIB

James Kirkpatrick Kerr (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER.

I understand him to speak of the Department of Justice.

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CON

Haughton Lennox

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LENNOX.

Justice can only be administered by the judges.

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April 27, 1909