April 27, 1909

LIB

John Patrick Molloy

Liberal

Mr. MOLLOY.

If the hon. gentleman (Mr. Taylor) is satisfied with that explanation it will satisfy us and we have no complaint to make. The hon. gentleman from Lisgar (Mr. Sharpe) quoted from the 'Free Press' a statement made by the Hon. Clifford Sifton and commenting on it he said:

When the last election was over the right hon. Prime Minister '(Sir Wilfrid Laurier) asked the hon. member for Brandon the reason why the elections had gone against him in the province of Manitoba, and the hon. member for Brandon made practically the same reply to the Prime Minister. The Prime Minister repeated that same statement or pietty nearly the same statement, on the 22nd of January last in this House. I claim that if the statement made by the Prime Minister on the floor of this House on the 22nd January last is true, and if the statement made by the hon. member for Brandon in this interview with the Winnipeg ' Free Press * is true, I, for one, have no right to a scat in this House. If those statements are false, as I claim they are absolutely false, then the hon. member for Brandon has no right to a seat in this House.

I would like to know what reason or justification the hon. member for Lisgar has for pronouncing on the right of the hon. Clifford Sifton to a seat in this House when he has been duly returned by the electors of the constituency of Brandon. He went on to say:

I do not intend to dicuss the merits and demerits of the Manitoba voters' lists at the piesent time, more than to say that the electoral lists for the province of Manitoba are the fairest lists that are compiled in Canada to-day.

I do not intend to discuss the merits and demerits of the Manitoba lists as they exist to-day, but I will say that they are the most unfair lists compiled in the Dominion of Canada to-day. At the proper time I will discuss the Manitoba lists as no man who ever sat in this House could discuss them, because I can discuss them from actual experience of the doings of the political machine in that province. No man ever sat in this House in the same position as I am in. I am here to-day because I was beaten out of the seat I won from the Attorney General of the province of Manitoba by the returning officer and an unfair list in the constituency of Morris. The hon. gentleman says that the judges have complete charge of the list. I say that is not correct. I am not privileged to say that it is untrue.

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CON

William Henry Sharpe

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. W. H. SHARPE.

May I ask the hon. gentleman a question? Can a voter be put on the Manitoba voters' list without the

sanction of one of the judges of the province of Manitoba, or can a name be taken off the list without the sanction of one of the judges of the province of Manitoba?

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LIB
CON

William D. Staples

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STAPLES.

Is there not provision in the Manitoba Election Law whereby persons can be put on the list by another person when the persons who should be on the list are unavoidably absent?

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LIB

John Patrick Molloy

Liberal

Mr. MOLLOY.

That is all right if he is a Conservative, but otherwise not.

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CON

William D. Staples

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STAPLES.

Has not a Liberal the right to make application for a person who is unavoidably absent but who has the qualification to go on the list?

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CON

Samuel Simpson Sharpe

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. S. SHARPE.

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LIB

John Patrick Molloy

Liberal

Mr. MOLLOY.

If you follow the letter of the law, and if the registration clerks are fair and square and manly, and will give to a Liberal what they give to a Coi>

servative you should be able to do it.

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Some hon. MEMBERS

Hear, hear.

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LIB

John Patrick Molloy

Liberal

Mr. MOLLOY.

The boot is on the wrong foot. If they will do it; but the registration clerks will not do it in the province of Manitoba. I challenge the hon. member to name one instance where a Liberal, in that portion of my county where a Liberal applied, succeeded in getting a Liberal on the list.

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CON

William D. Staples

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STAPLES.

I want to ask the hon. member the names of those three persons.

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LIB

John Patrick Molloy

Liberal

Mr. MOLLOY.

I will have to name them from memory, and I will not say I am absolutely correct. You told me the other day that you knew their names.

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LIB

Gilbert Howard McIntyre (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER.

Order. The hon. gentleman must address the Chair.

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LIB

John Patrick Molloy

Liberal

Mr. MOLLOY.

The name of one, I think, is a Mr. Macdonald, and another was Mr. Pedley. The other I do not remember, although I have met him. No doubt the hon. member for Macdonald (Mr. Staples) has met him because he is an out and out partisan Tory. And very proud he was of getting on the list without having been put to the same expense and trouble as his Liberal neighbours. But there was one of those three, manly enough, straightforward enough, over and above board enough, and frank enough, who, when the matter was explained to him in which his name was added to the list- Tory though he was-call him Tory or Conservative, or that choice name Liberal-Conservative-he refused to vote for the Attorney General on the 7th of March, 1907. But there were two added, and the election was a tie, and he got the benefit of those two who were added by John W. Parker.

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CON

William D. Staples

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STAPLES.

I wish to correct the hon. gentleman. He knows that under the law John W. Parker could riot possibly add those names to the list. Therefore he should not accuse a man who is not here to defend himself.

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LIB

John Patrick Molloy

Liberal

Mr. MOLLOY.

Under the law, if it was meted out to Liberals, as it should be, as well as to Conservatives, perhaps he could not, but he was in snooks with the Tory registration clerk. Let me tell the hon. member for Macdonald (Mr. Staples) that the same John W. Parker, with the registration clerk, put on a man not later than last year who was in charge of an elevator nine miles from the seat of registration. Will the hon. gentleman deny that? And I will give him the name of the registration clerk-Mr. Conrad Dausie, of

Jean Baptiste, Manitoba. He came to me and begged for mercy and asked me not to put him to trouble and expense. He said he acted as he did because the man could not afford to lose his time. Therefore he travelled nine miles from the registration booth and put on that man, who had charge of an elevator at a place or near a place called Stanford, nine miles away. If the hon. member for Macdonald (Mr. Staples) will give an instance in his county, where a registration cleTk consented to drive nine miles out of his way to put on a Liberal, I will give $100 to any hospital in the city of Ottawa or of Manitoba. There is a straight challenge and I am always as good as my word.

I will give it to a hospital in the constituency represented by my hon. friend from Lisgar (Mr. Sharpe).

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CON

George Henry Bradbury

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BRADBURY.

Will the hon. gentleman allow me? The statement he made a moment aeo was that two or three names had been added on illegally. The challenge issued by the Premier of Manitoba to the commission granted by the House was to prove there was one added on or left off illesrallv. Whv was not that accented? Why did not the hon. member for Brandon or somewhere else face that commission?

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LIB

John Patrick Molloy

Liberal

Mr. MOLLOY.

What the Liberals asked in the local legislature was this: They asked that- a commission be granted, and they made seven distinct charges, and they wanted to go back to 1903, when personal registration was first introduced in Manitoba, and the Roblin government refused that.

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CON

William Henry Sharpe

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. W. H. SHARPE.

Why did they want to go back to 1903?

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LIB

John Patrick Molloy

Liberal

Mr. MOLLOY.

Does the hon. gentleman mean to tell me that the Attorney General does not know the three cases I have mentioned? Why, he has been dreaming about them ever since. They have helped to keep him alive politically, and the hon. member for Selkirk knows that. He knows the facts just as well as the Attorney General for Manitoba. They are not so indelibly stamped on his memory perhaps as on mine, but he has seen them published from time to time, and he knows that my opponent holds his seat by virtue of the vote of the returning officer of Manitoba- the smallest majority of any minister in the Dominion. The hon. member for Lisgar (Mr. Sharpe) goes on to say:

I was elected in the constituency of Manitoba by 105 of a majority. If the government will appoint a royal commission to inquire into the lists in that constituency, and if ttev can find 106 Conservatives improperly put on that list, or 106 Reformers improperly left off, I will resign my seat.

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April 27, 1909