April 27, 1909

CON

James Davis Taylor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. D. TAYLOR.

That statement is altogether untrue.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE BUDGET.
Subtopic:   W. H. PRINCE, JAS. WILLIAMS,
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Some hon. MEMBERS

Order.

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Subtopic:   W. H. PRINCE, JAS. WILLIAMS,
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LIB

Gilbert Howard McIntyre (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER.

A point of order has been raised and I will hear it stated before giving a decision. Who raises the point of order?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE BUDGET.
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William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

I raise the point of order that the hon. gentleman (Mr. J. D. Taylor) has said that what an hon. gentleman on this side of the House has stated is absolutely untrue. That is not parliamentary and cannot be upheld.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE BUDGET.
Subtopic:   W. H. PRINCE, JAS. WILLIAMS,
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LIB

Gilbert Howard McIntyre (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER.

Does the hon gentleman from New Westminster wish to speak to that point of order?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE BUDGET.
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James Davis Taylor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. D. TAYLOR.

Speaking to the point of order I wish to refute what the hon. gentleman (Mr. Molloy) stated

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE BUDGET.
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William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

That is not the question.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE BUDGET.
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James Davis Taylor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. D. TAYLOR.

I have the floor, and I am speaking to the point of order, I wish to say that what the hon. gentleman (Mr. Molloy) has stated as reflecting on me, and mentioning my name in connection with his statement, is not true.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE BUDGET.
Subtopic:   W. H. PRINCE, JAS. WILLIAMS,
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LIB

Gilbert Howard McIntyre (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER.

The question now before the Chair is as to whether the point raised is a point of order, and the hon. gentleman (Mr. J. D. Taylor) must not enter into further detail but must speak to the point of order.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE BUDGET.
Subtopic:   W. H. PRINCE, JAS. WILLIAMS,
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CON

James Davis Taylor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. D. TAYLOR.

Speaking to the point of order I wish to ask your ruling whether it is proper when a member of this House makes a statement, no doubt unintentionally, which is not true, the1 hon. member against whom that statement is directed is permitted to say that it is not true. If I am not within the rule of order and you so rule Mr. Speaker, I will ' of course unreservedly withdraw it.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE BUDGET.
Subtopic:   W. H. PRINCE, JAS. WILLIAMS,
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LIB

Gilbert Howard McIntyre (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER.

It appears to me that the member for New Westminster is privileged to say that the statement made by the hon. member for Provencher (Mr. Molloy) is not correct. The word ' untrue ' is not desirable language to use in parliament, but as the hon. gentleman (Mr. J. D. Taylor) is denying what he is in a position to deny without attributing falsehood to another hon. member, I am not prepared to rule it out of order.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE BUDGET.
Subtopic:   W. H. PRINCE, JAS. WILLIAMS,
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LIB

John Patrick Molloy

Liberal

Mr. MOLLOY.

I do not think the hon. member (Mr. J. D. Taylor) will deny that ex-Warden Bourke did apologize to Mr. McIntyre and that he agreed to pay the costs in conection with the suit. Now, I did not intend to cast any reflection on the hon. member for New Westminster, but what I intended to say was that the press reports stated that Mr. McIntyre who got this apology from ex-Warden Bourke had entered an action against the paper that I understand is owned and controlled by the hon. member for New Westminster. If that statement is not correct I am quite willing that the hon. gentleman (Mr. J. D. Taylor) should state whether or not Mr. McIntyre has entered a suit against his paper.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE BUDGET.
Subtopic:   W. H. PRINCE, JAS. WILLIAMS,
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James Davis Taylor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. D. TAYLOR.

That is an assertion which I have already stated to the House is not true.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE BUDGET.
Subtopic:   W. H. PRINCE, JAS. WILLIAMS,
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LIB

David Bradley Neely

Liberal

Mr. NEELY.

What part of the statement is not true?

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An hon. MEMBER.

What have you got to say about it anyway?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE BUDGET.
Subtopic:   W. H. PRINCE, JAS. WILLIAMS,
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James Davis Taylor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. D. TAYLOR.

I do not think that hon. gentlemen opposite have the privilege of cross examining me on this occasion.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE BUDGET.
Subtopic:   W. H. PRINCE, JAS. WILLIAMS,
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LIB

John Patrick Molloy

Liberal

Mr. MOLLOY.

I take it for granted an action has been entered against the 'Columbian' owned by the hon. member for New Westminster.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE BUDGET.
Subtopic:   W. H. PRINCE, JAS. WILLIAMS,
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CON

James Davis Taylor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. D. TAYLOR.

No.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE BUDGET.
Subtopic:   W. H. PRINCE, JAS. WILLIAMS,
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LIB

John Patrick Molloy

Liberal

Mr. MOLLOY.

The hon. gentleman would like to be enlightened on that.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-THE BUDGET.
Subtopic:   W. H. PRINCE, JAS. WILLIAMS,
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James Davis Taylor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. D. TAYLOR.

I state again that the hon. gentleman is not correct in saying that any action has been entered against the 'Columbian.' If he will permit me I think I can give him information which may save him from further confusion. I wish to state for the information of the House that the matter as to which Mr. Bourke apologized to Mr. McIntyre is altogether foreign to anything which I have ever mentioned in this House; it is altogether foreign to any issue that has been brought before the House, and it simply arose from Mr. Bourke's supplying the name 'McIntyre' to Miner's statement, when all that the convict said was that his lawyer had done so and so. That matter I have never referred to either in the House or out of the House; I have said nothing at all in reference to Mr. McIntyre.

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April 27, 1909