March 17, 1909

LIB

Hon. SYDNEY FISHER (Minister of Agriculture) : (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

1. 25,000 copies at total cost of $26,770 49

2. 18,500 copies, on application

from:-

Senators and Members of House of Commons, 3

copies each 525 00

Public Libraries, one copy

each 925 00

Educational institutions, including rural schools in which libraries are maintained, or on behalf of which some assurance is given by' inspectors of schools that the book will be maintained as the property of the school section 14,874 00 Agricultural Colleges, up to

30 copies each 412 00

Agricultural Organizations, one copy each 1,000 00

Farmers' Institute lecturers and Agricultural Educators, one copy each, and on personal application to others shewing a special interest in the subiect.. .. 764 00

3. 6,500 copies.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   THE BOOK ' FARM WEEDS.'
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INSPECTION OF DRESSED HOGS IN KENT AND ESSEX.


Mr. McCOIG-by Hon. R. F. Sutherland -asked : 1. How many dressed hogs have been inspected in the counties of Kent and Essex from October 1, 1908, to March, 1909, under the Meat Inspection Act? . 2. How many hog carcasses were rejected by the government inspectors in Kent and Essex from October 1, 1908, to March, 1909.


LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Hon. SYDNEY FISHER (Minister of Agriculture):

1 12 330.

i. Id'entire carcasses, and portions of 954.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   INSPECTION OF DRESSED HOGS IN KENT AND ESSEX.
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PAYMENTS TO ERNEST BOIVIN AND A.


Mr. MONK-asked : 1. Has Mr. Ernest Boivin, of Bagotville, province of Quebec, been employed by the government on any of its works during the years 1906, 1907 and 1908 P If so, during what space of time, in what oapacity and at what salary? 2. How much has the said Ernest Boivin been paid by the government during the said three years? . 3. Did the government during the first six months of 1908 issue a cheque of $14 in favour of one Auguste Desbien for work performed at or near Bagotville?


LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Hon. WM. PUGSLEY (Minister of Public Works) :

1 and 2. Ernest Boivin has not been employed by this department at any time; but on the 28th of June, 1904, he and one Onesime Cote entered into a contract with the department for the construction of a wharf at Sacre Coeur, which was duly completed on 1st July, 1905. The department has no knowledge what Mr. Boivin's share of the contract earnings may have been.

3. Yes.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   PAYMENTS TO ERNEST BOIVIN AND A.
Sub-subtopic:   DESBIEN.
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INDEBTEDNESS OP GRAND TRUNK RAILWAY TO DOMINION GOVERNMENT.


Mr. GEORGE TAYLOR-asked : 1. In what amount, if any, is the Grand Trunk Railway Company indebted to the Dominion of Canada? 2. How much is owing for principal and ininterest, respectively, upon the said indebtedness? 3. How many years' interest is due? 4. On what date was interest last paid?


LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Hon. W. S. FIELDING (Minister of Finance) :

This deals with a very old and complicated account. It might be more convenient to put it as a motion for return, but as I thought the hon. gentleman (Mr. George Taylor) might regard it as having a bearing on proposals of this session I have brought down the answer :

1, 2, 3 and A. In the year 1862, five years prior to confederation, a reorganization of the Grand Trunk Railway of Canada was effected under chapter 56 of the Statutes of Canada of that year.

Provincial debentures of the provinces of Canada to the amount of $15,142,633.34 had been issued, prior to the passing of this Act, in aid of the company. These debentures carried interest at the rate of six per cent per annum.

By section 19, of the chapter referred to, the province of Canada consented to allow its claim for interest due and accruing in respect of these debentures to be postponed to the payment of certain charges which were made prior by the Statute. The section provided that after the payment of the working expenses of the Railway the bal-Mr. FISHER.

ance of earnings was to be appropriated and applied in payment:-(a) of interest on equipment mortgage bonds; (b) of interest on first preferential bonds and the dividend due on first preference stock; (c) of interest due on second preferential bonds and the dividend due on second preference stock; (d) of dividend due on third preference stock; (e) of dividend due on fourth preference stock; (f) of dividend of 3 per cent per annum for ten years on the ordinary stock of the company and thereafter at the rate of 5 per cent per annum; (g) of further dividend on one per cent per annum on the third preference stock; (h) of further dividend of one per cent per annum on the fourth preference stock; (all the above were given priority over the government claim for interest); and then; (i) in payment of the interest for the time being due and accruing, subsequent to the 1st January, 1862, on the provincial debentures issued in aid of the company, before the passing of the Act, at the rate of 6 per cent per annum.

The interest on the provincial debentures referred to amounted, at the time of confederation, to $10,457,458.01. Amounts, represented by these province of Canada debentures, $i5,142,633.34, and this interest of $10,457,458.01, were, at confederation, taken over by the Dominion from the province of Canada, and have since been carried in the balance sheet without change under the heading ' Railway Accounts,' but these amounts have not been included in the statement of assets of the Dominion.

As the net earnings of the company never met all the prior charges, as provided by the Act, no part of this interest has ever been payable.

There was also carried in the province of Canada accounts and taken over at confederation a special interest claim of $7,302.18, which has been continued in the balance sheet. This special interest claim arose from an adjusted balance of various accounts made between the province of Canada and the Grand Trunk Railway Company, which balance was confirmed by an order in council of the 18th October, 1866.

Besides the above, the province of Canada was, at the time of confederation, the holder of fourth preference stock pf the company, (converted, by section 11, chapter 18, Act of 1873, into third preference stock), of the par value of $121,739.65. Dividends have been paid to the Dominion on this stock on several occasions as follows :

During year 1881 $ 608 70

" 1883

1,643 48" 1884

1,978 26" 1902

1,217 40" 1903

2,434 80" 1905

2,434 80" 1906

3,652 20" 1907

3,652 20

This fourth preference stock was accepted by the province of Canada in payment of a certain part of the accounts adjusted by the order in council referred to.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   INDEBTEDNESS OP GRAND TRUNK RAILWAY TO DOMINION GOVERNMENT.
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DISRAELI WHARF.

CON

Mr. LENNOX asked:

Conservative (1867-1942)

1. Referring to the statement of the Minister

of Public Works as recorded in unrevised ' Hansard J of 10th March instant, as follows: page 2425, Mr. Pugsley,-It happens in that case that vessels land and deliver their cargo on the lower side of the bridge, and at the wharf, which is at the lower side of the bridge, and page 2429: With regard to the

wharf at Disraeli, I am surprised at my hon. friend from Peel (Mr. Blain) should allow himself to be misled as to the facts of the case. When he went there on the occasion to which he has referred, he must have studiously avoided the side of the wharf which is frequented by vessels navigating the lake. The same rather unjustifiable and inconsiderate statement was made at the last session of parliament. A report had been made by the resident engineer to the effect that vessels do go to that wharf and that it is a very useful structure for the purpose of navigation. It is true, the wharf having been built, the municipal authorities used an end of it for supporting a bridge, and their doing so does not interfere with the purposes for which it was built. I hope my hon. friend will get more reliable information before he again speaks on that subject in this House,-(a) how many vessels carrying passengers or merchandise regularly called or landed at Disraeli wharf during the navigation season of 1908, and (b) called or landed at all during the season, (c) what were the names of these vessels, and of what tonnage were they?

2. What vessels, boats or craft of any kind called or landed at or used the said wharf during said season, and to what extent was it used?

3. What is the area of the lake called Lake Aylmer into which the stream passing under Disraeli wharf empties?

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   DISRAELI WHARF.
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LIB

James Kirkpatrick Kerr (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER.

I am not sure that that question is regular as it referred to what happened in Committee of the Whole in a previous debate. The latter part of the question, I think, might be put.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   DISRAELI WHARF.
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CON

Haughton Lennox

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LENNOX.

I would prefer to withdraw altogether, Mr. Speaker, if you do not think it in order. It seems to me all right.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   DISRAELI WHARF.
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LIB

James Kirkpatrick Kerr (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER.

Bourinot says that it is not regular to refer to what has been said or done in a previous debate, and this refers directly to what was said in Committee of the Whole.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   DISRAELI WHARF.
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CON

Haughton Lennox

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LENNOX.

It is a mere question for purposes of certainty, it seems to me. But I will withdraw it.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   DISRAELI WHARF.
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LIB

James Kirkpatrick Kerr (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER.

I think the latter part of the question is quite regular, but not the first part quoting the words of the minister.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   DISRAELI WHARF.
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CON

Haughton Lennox

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LENNOX.

I suppose the latter part covers the matter.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   DISRAELI WHARF.
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LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

Stand, to be amended.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   DISRAELI WHARF.
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FRENCH TRANSLATION IN DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE.

March 17, 1909