March 17, 1909

LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

I shall get the information.

Topic:   SUPPLY-RURAL FREE MAIL DELIVERY.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE DEPARTMENT.
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CON

George Taylor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GEORGE TAYLOR.

I will send over to the minister a photograph taken from the other shore and he will see that the pier is several feet up on dry land so that his statement cannot be justified that it was for the purpose of turning the channel and preventing the silt coming down.

Topic:   SUPPLY-RURAL FREE MAIL DELIVERY.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE DEPARTMENT.
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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

If that is a recent photograph it may not give accurate information as to the beneficial results which have followed the erection of that pier because the pier itself might stop the silt in its progress and cause the very accumulation which we see there.

Topic:   SUPPLY-RURAL FREE MAIL DELIVERY.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE DEPARTMENT.
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CON

Pierre Édouard Blondin

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLONDIN.

Did the minister get the information which was asked for the other night about Mr. L. P. Girard ?

Topic:   SUPPLY-RURAL FREE MAIL DELIVERY.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE DEPARTMENT.
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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

Yes, the evening this matter came up in the House I caused a telegram to be sent to Mr. Tache the resident engineer as follows :

Ottawa, 12th March, 1909. To J. C. Tach6, resident engineer, Chicoutimi.

Was Hr. Girard's son, who is now lawyer at Chicoutimi, ever employed at Clark City Mr. J. D. REID.

hy the department? If so, when, for how long, and in what capacity? Was he in sole charge or was there an engineer over him? If an engineer, who? Reply immediately, minister wants information this evening.

(Sgd.) J. B. HUNTER, Deputy Minister.

To that there came a reply from Mr. Tache as follows:

Chicoutimi, March 12, 1909.

J. B. Hunter,

Deputy Minister of Public Works, Ottawa.

Yes, M. Girard was employed at Clark City under Mr. Lamoureux.

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Subtopic:   POST OFFICE DEPARTMENT.
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J. C. TACHE.


That information was not sufficient because it did not give all the information desired so I had this telegram sent: Ottawa, 12th March.


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To J. C.@

Tache, resident engineer, Chicoutimi.

Please give all information asked by my telegram. Your message no answer.

(Sgd.) J. B. HUNTER, Deputy Minister.

To that there came this reply:

Chicoutimi, 13th March, 1909.

J. B. Hunter, Ottawa.

L. P. Girard was employed at Clark City in 1904, on the survey of Seven Islands bay, as chain man from 24th of June to 12th Sept., and in 1907, as assistant to engineer in charge from 15th of June to 18th of Sept. Joseph Lamoureux, of Ottawa, was the engineer in charge on both occasions.

(Sgd.) J. C. TACHE.

Then I received a memorandum from Mr. Lamoureux as follows :

March 15, 1909.

Memorandum for the Hon. the Minister.

Mr. Girard worked under me as sub-inspector and general help during the summer of 1907 at Clark City.

During that season the contractors removed part of the old work preparing the beds for new cribs. Two cribs, 100 feet in length each, were built and sunk. Mr. Girard helped me in taking levels, measurements, keeping gauge readings, &c., spending most of his time on the work under my instructions, when I could not be there, and reporting to me what was being done. During that summer I made surveys of Magpie bay, and at Ellis bay, Anticosta island, being away about two weeks at a time at each place. On my return Mr. Girard reported to me as to what was done by the contractors, and every difficulty that arose was adjusted by me.

He helped also in reducing the soundings taken at Magpie bay, and doing general office

work. ___

(Sgd.) JAMES LAMOUREUX.

Assistant Engineer.

Topic:   SUPPLY-RURAL FREE MAIL DELIVERY.
Subtopic:   J. C. TACHE.
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CON
CON

Herbert Brown Ames

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. AMES.

Who is now practising law at Chicoutimi and who was then a law student? ;

Topic:   SUPPLY-RURAL FREE MAIL DELIVERY.
Subtopic:   J. C. TACHE.
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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

Yes. My hon. friend was right as to that.

Topic:   SUPPLY-RURAL FREE MAIL DELIVERY.
Subtopic:   J. C. TACHE.
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CON

John Dowsley Reid

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. D. REID.

Was Lamoureux working there the whole season?

Topic:   SUPPLY-RURAL FREE MAIL DELIVERY.
Subtopic:   J. C. TACHE.
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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

Yes, except for about two weeks_when he was working at Magpie bay. I i

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Subtopic:   J. C. TACHE.
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CON

John Dowsley Reid

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. D. REID.

This young man was put there and he knew nothing about the work. He was simply a law student and this was a scheme of the government to pay him while he was on his holidays $2.50 a day and expenses, including Sundays. If Mr. Lamoureux required an assistant from June 24th until school opened in September he certainly required an assistant during the whole season or he did not require one at all. I do not know anything about this young man, but on the very face of it it is clear that the government adopted this scheme to pay him $2.50 a day and expenses during the holidays so that he might educate himself during the winter. You see, if he had been put on as chain man he would not get $2.50 a day, for the chain men on the St. Lawrence canals only get from $1.50 to $2.00 a day, and so in order to get $2.50 per day of the peoples' money, Lamoureux deceived the minister by putting him down as inspector.

Topic:   SUPPLY-RURAL FREE MAIL DELIVERY.
Subtopic:   J. C. TACHE.
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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

Lamoureux states that he was sub-inspector, and he was paid as inspector. What has Mr. Lamoureux to say about that? Anyway what about this policy of working in with a member of parliament and making a situation for his boy? Is it not very poor business? The evidence shows that he was simply there to help to do some calculations, and that reported to the inspector would act occasionally as a chain man, and the like of that. Who was the inspector?

Topic:   SUPPLY-RURAL FREE MAIL DELIVERY.
Subtopic:   J. C. TACHE.
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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

Mr. Lamoureux was the inspector and engineer in charge, and he used this young man as sub-inspector. For a number of years it has been the practice, and I have never heard it complained of, to give employment to students.

Topic:   SUPPLY-RURAL FREE MAIL DELIVERY.
Subtopic:   J. C. TACHE.
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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

The sons of members?

Topic:   SUPPLY-RURAL FREE MAIL DELIVERY.
Subtopic:   J. C. TACHE.
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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

Although the employment has been largely limited to the students of technical schools, this young man had been under Mr. Lamoureux in 1904, and it may be that he was an intelligent young man, able to do his work well, and could be relied on to keep the accounts and see that the men did their work. He was only paid $2.50 a day, although in some cases we pay inspectors $3 and sometimes $3.50 a day.

Topic:   SUPPLY-RURAL FREE MAIL DELIVERY.
Subtopic:   J. C. TACHE.
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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

Does the minister defend that kind of transaction?

Topic:   SUPPLY-RURAL FREE MAIL DELIVERY.
Subtopic:   J. C. TACHE.
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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

It would depend on the circumstances. If I knew that he was a capable young man, and did his work faithfully, I would defend him. But I do not know whether he was or not. I would assume, from the engineer having employed him, and having certified that he was capable, and that he did useful work, and did it well, that he was worth $2.50 per day. That is not an unreasonable wage, and _ is considerably less than we pay to the inspectors in charge of such work.

Topic:   SUPPLY-RURAL FREE MAIL DELIVERY.
Subtopic:   J. C. TACHE.
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March 17, 1909