February 25, 1909

CON

Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

What county are these in?

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

Queens-Sunbury and King's.

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CON

Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

How many wharfs are there in the county of Queens-Sunbury?

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

My hon friend from the county of St. John read the list. We hope to construct all of these.

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CON

Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

That will be nine in one county. .

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

There are two counties.

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CON

Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

We are to understand that nine wharfs are to be constructed in one constituency represented by my hon. friend?

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

That is right but the water stretches are very large. They take in St. John river, Grand lake and Wash-demoak lake.

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CON

Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

All on the recommendation of my hon. friend?

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

On the request of the hon. gentleman on the urgent request of the people in the various localities.

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CON

Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

Was the Minister of Finance consulted about these large expenditures?

Mr. FIELDING- These nine wharfs seem not to be very extravagant in their cost. I do not think that even the whole amount of the tenders represents a very extravagant expenditure. I think it is within the reasons of economy that have been laid down.

River St. John-wharfs in tide water-contribution to the local government not to exceed one-half the first cost of wharfs built by it, $5,000.

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CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

Are you buying wharfs from the local* government or what?

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

I would like, with the consent of the committee, to strike out the words ' River St. John ' because for some reason or other, the contribution to be made to the provincial government is limited to wharfs in the tidal waters of the river St. John. The provincial government have built a wharf upon a tidal river in the northern part of the province and they have urged that we should pay one half the cost of it. I do not see why the rule was limited to the St. John river. It is better for us where we can, to get the provincial government to see its duty to pay one-half the cost rather than that we should pay the whole of it. I move that the words ' River St. John ' be struck out. It does not add to the liability but enables us to distribute it to other rivers.

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CON

Oswald Smith Crocket

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROCKET.

It just takes that much away from the River St. John?

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

It may.

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Oswald Smith Crocket

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROCKET.

As a representative of one of the St. John river counties I object most strenuously to the proposition of the minister. Last session other representatives of these river counties as well as myself protested that these counties were not treat-

ed equitably in regard to the appropriations for wharfs. We pointed out that there were thousands and thousands of dollars spent upon the rivers in the province Of Quebec-the Saugenay river was especially instanced-where this government paid the entire costs of the wharfs and that on the important river St. John the government contributed only one-half the cost. The decision of the Minister of Public Works now to interfere with that pittance is an injustice to the people of these /"'unties. . I strenuously object to the proposition of the minister which will result in reducing the appropriation for the River St. John. I have pointed out that this government has paid the whole cost of the wharfs on the Petitcodiac river, and it is certainly very strange that after his professions of generosity to-night the minister should now propose to reduce even the beggarly half-cost contributions to the construction of wharfs on the river St. John. If the minister wants to aid the construction of wharfB in other parts of the province then his proper course would be to take an extra appropriation for that purpose and not divert money that has always been applied to the St1. John river. It is the dutv of the government to nav the whole cost of the wharfs on tidal rivers in the province of New Brunswick as they do in all other provinces of the Dominion.

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

The striking out of the words ' River St. John ' will not in any way affect the money that would go to the St. John river. For the first tipe in the history of the country we have a vote of $20,000 for wharfs on that river. This is purely a question between my department and the government of the province of New Brunswick, because unless they build the wharfs we cannot contribute half the cost. The provincial government through the Chief Commissioner of Works has requested me to change the wording of this resolution and I would ask the committee to allow me to do so.

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CON

James Davis Taylor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. D. TAYLOR.

Is this in the nature of a subsidy for wharfs already built?

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

We pay one half the cost of the wharfs which the provincial government has built.

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James Davis Taylor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. D. TAYLOR.

How is it that when the provincial government of British Columbia applies to this government for a subsidy for works which are usually subsidized by the federal government the answer made to British Columbia is that there is constitutional objection to paying subsidies to any provincial governments; that they can only pay subsidies to private owners, but when we come to the province of New Brunswick (the minister's own province) we find that another yard stick is applied and that there the Federal government can Mr. CROCKET.

pay subsidies to the provincial government, when there is, it is said, a constitutional obstacle to paying them to the provincial government of British Columhia. That is a matter which ought to be explained.

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February 25, 1909