February 25, 1909

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Some hon. MEMBERS

Order.

Topic:   SUPPLY-TREATY WITH THE UNITED STATES.
Subtopic:   INTERNATIONAL WATERWAYS TREATY.
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Adam Brown Crosby

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROSBY.

I will wait until he gives it so that we will know what he wants.

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LIB

Gilbert Howard McIntyre (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER.

The hon. gentleman must not comment on the ruling of the Chair. He must withdraw such observations.

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Subtopic:   INTERNATIONAL WATERWAYS TREATY.
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Adam Brown Crosby

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROSBY.

I simply say that if that is your ruling we will know it in future.

Topic:   SUPPLY-TREATY WITH THE UNITED STATES.
Subtopic:   INTERNATIONAL WATERWAYS TREATY.
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LIB

Gilbert Howard McIntyre (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER.

I understood the hon. gentleman to go farther than that. If he does not, his remark is not out of order.

Topic:   SUPPLY-TREATY WITH THE UNITED STATES.
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Hugh Havelock McLean

Liberal

Mr. H. H. McLEAN.

1 was only endeavouring to answer the remarks made by the hon. member for St. John (Mr. Daniel). I am glad to know that he thoroughly approves of the principle laid down by this government and that is that every necessary public work, every necessary wharf in tidal waters and in navigable waters, will be constructed at the expense of the government of Canada. I was also delighted to know that this principle meets with his approval and, of course, meets with the approval of all hon. gentlemen of the opposition. I want also to call the hon. gentleman's attention to the fact that this principle has been opposed in this House by hon. gentlemen on the opposition side. It has been opposed by the hon. member for North Toronto and by other speakers on his side. I also desire to say that we give credit to the Minister of Public Works for inaugurating that principle and carrying it forward.

Topic:   SUPPLY-TREATY WITH THE UNITED STATES.
Subtopic:   INTERNATIONAL WATERWAYS TREATY.
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John Waterhouse Daniel

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DANIEL.

I am very pleased to hear the remarks of my hon. friend. Although he was a little inexact in some of his statements I quite exonerate him from any intention of being wilfully inexact. But I would like him and the members of this House to understand that in so far as I am concerned I am entirely in accord with any government that provides proper means for transportation and the carrying on of the business of this country whether it is on the sea coast or on the inland lakes and rivers. I never lifted my voice against the expenditure of money for any such laudable purpose and I do not propose to. I shall not do so for one reason, that, in the city, that I come from, we are looking for some expenditure for purposes connected with the great transportation interests of this country. I would not feel like advocating expenditures for that purpose in my own constituency if I were not willing to advocate them in |the constituencies of other hon. gentlemen whether on this side of the House or not. While my hon. friend from Queens and Sunbury would like to have imparted a little irony or sarcasm into his remarks I do not think they apply in any degree whatever to the member for the city of St. John.

Topic:   SUPPLY-TREATY WITH THE UNITED STATES.
Subtopic:   INTERNATIONAL WATERWAYS TREATY.
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Oswald Smith Crocket

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROCKET.

Has the department made an estimate of the cost of these nine wharfs in Queens and Sunbury before calling for tenders.

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William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

The department prepared plans and called for tenders which we thought would be the best guide as to what these wharfs should cost, but, when the tenders came in, with respect to several of them, we thought that the price was too high and we also thought that the plans might be simplified so as to reduce the cost very materially. My own view, based on an experience of a good many years in connection with the building of wharfs on the St. John river when I was a member of the provincial government, is that we ought to get suitable wharfs on the St. John river at a cost of from $1,200 to $3,000. We are now having new plans prepared with the view of getting a cheaper wharf, one which will answer all practical purposes just as well and we hope to get the cost of the construction of these wharfs down to from $1,200 to $3,000, according to the length of the wharf, the depth of the water and the difficulty in making the approaches to the wharfs.

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Oswald Smith Crocket

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROCKET.

What was the total amount of the tenders that were received?

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William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

They ranged between different amounts. Some were as high as $7,000, *

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Oswald Smith Crocket

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROCKET.

On the plans that had been drawn?

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William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

Yes, that fliad been drawn by the engineers at St. John. We thought the cost was greater than suitable wharfs should cost and we gave directions to reduce and simplify the plans.

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Oswald Smith Crocket

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROCKET.

After the elections were over the plans were simplified.

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John Waterhouse Daniel

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DANIEL.

The minister did not state whether he intended to build these wharfs or not.

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William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

That is the object of the vote.

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John Waterhouse Daniel

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DANIEL.

And it is expected to build them?

Topic:   SUPPLY-TREATY WITH THE UNITED STATES.
Subtopic:   INTERNATIONAL WATERWAYS TREATY.
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William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

Yes.

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Oswald Smith Crocket

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROCKET.

Is the work to be done on all these wharfs during the present year?

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Subtopic:   INTERNATIONAL WATERWAYS TREATY.
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William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

We hope to be able to proceed with the work on all of them as soon as we can get the plans and have the tenders called for.

Topic:   SUPPLY-TREATY WITH THE UNITED STATES.
Subtopic:   INTERNATIONAL WATERWAYS TREATY.
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February 25, 1909