February 11, 1909

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Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

Were the parties invited to tender for all the penitentiaries ?

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Jacques Bureau (Solicitor General of Canada)

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Mr. BUREAU.

It was optional for them to tender for one or for all the penitentiaries.

Dorchester penitentiary, $70,000.

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Oswald Smith Crocket

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROCKET.

Does the department still buy its hardware from the firm of Mc-Avity & Sons, of St. John, New Brunswick?

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Jacques Bureau (Solicitor General of Canada)

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Mr. BUREAU.

Lewis Brothers of Montreal are the contractors for the hardware, both sundries and staples, for the year 1907-8.

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Oswald Smith Crocket

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROCKET.

In the Auditor General's Report, I notice that upwards of $1,000 of hardware was purchased from McAvity & Sons.

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Jacques Bureau (Solicitor General of Canada)

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Mr. BUREAU.

These were plumber's' supplies and steam fittings, small orders given at different times, when the things were wanted quickly.

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Oswald Smith Crocket

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROCKET.

Without public tender or competition. Is the Solicitor General

aware that the head of this firm is George McAvity, the gentleman who got away with a rake-off of $35,900 in connection with the Mayes contract ? If that firm has any account against the government^ it might be well to set it off, so far as it will go, against that rake-off, seeing that the department is unwilling to take proceedings to recover back the $35,900. In connection with McAvity & Sons, I find that they received $2.45 per barrel for 120 barrels of Portland cement, but I notice that cement was purchased for the St. Vincent de Paul penitentiary at $1.85. It might be interesting to the Department of Justice to know that the Public Accounts Committee of New Brunswick had occasion to investigate the accounts of McAvity & Sons some years ago when the Minister of Public Works (Mr. Pugsley) was in the government of that province, and it was found that they were charging two prices in many instances.

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Jacques Bureau (Solicitor General of Canada)

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Mr. BUREAU.

The penitentiary at St. Vincent de Paul is right close to the market where they deal in cement, which may account for its being cheaper there. I do not know if there are any cement factories in Nova Scotia or New Brunswick, and the difference in freight may explain the discrepancy. If you buy from Hull, you will have to pay more freight.

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Oswald Smith Crocket

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROCKET.

Would the freight account cause such a difference?

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Jacques Bureau (Solicitor General of Canada)

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Mr. BUREAU.

The purchase may have been at different times and larger quantities may have been required for St. Vincent de Paul than for Dorchester penitentiary.

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James Arthurs

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ARTHURS.

I find that 235 barrels of Portland cement were bought from J. H. Hickman at $2.45.

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Jacques Bureau (Solicitor General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. BUREAU.

Yes, the same price as from McAvity & Co.

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Thomas Wilson Crothers

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CROTHERS.

The chaplain at this penitentiary receives $200 a year less than at St. Vincent de Paul. Is that by reason of his inferior capacity or less onerous duties?

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Jacques Bureau (Solicitor General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. BUREAU.

Less onerous duties, on account of the population being less in Dorchester than in St. Vincent de Paul.

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William Thoburn

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. THOBURN.

I find on page L-22 of the Auditor General's Report that the government purchased from T. Prefontaine & Co., Montreal, lumber commencing at $20 and running up to $75 per 1,000 feet. Unless this lumber was made into mahogany chairs or things of that kind, the price seems a fabulous one.

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Jacques Bureau (Solicitor General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. BUREAU.

The $75 per 1,000 feet was paid for oak.

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Uriah Wilson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. URIAH WILSON.

Could the minister say how much of the items for salaries

and retiring allowances at St. Vincent de Paul and Dorchester penitentiaries is for each separately ?

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Jacques Bureau (Solicitor General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. BUREAU.

Last year there were $38,606.48 for salaries and $2,077.76 for retiring allowances.

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Uriah Wilson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. URIAH WILSON.

The retiring allowances ought to be put separately in the estimates so that we might know them.

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February 11, 1909