February 5, 1909

LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Hon. Mr. FISHER.

(Translation.) Mr. Chairman, I am quite willing to discuss this question anew if the hon. member from Terrebonne desires, but this increase has been agreed upon last year. Therefore, it is not a new increase. It was made last year, when we voted the estimates of the fiscal Mr. FISHER.

year. This item is only the continuation of the same salary paid last year to the Deputy Minister of Agriculture. The hon. member says that there are some judges who are not so highly paid. Judges of the Superior Court in Montreal are paid more than that.

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CON

Wilfrid Bruno Nantel

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. NANTEL.

(Translation.) I said the Circuit Court judges.

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Hon. Mr. FISHER.

(Translation.) I may tell the hon. member that the duties of this deputy minister are of a very special character. As Patents Commissioner he has judiciary functions to perform. Some very important cases are brought before him very often. He has to decide upon issues in which sometimes are involved millions of dollars. To fill this position it requires a very competent man, and who possesses at least a knowledge as sure and as learned as any of the best judges of the Superior Court of Quebec. This question has been fully discussed last session, and the House has agreed to pay that salary to this deputy minister. I am not, therefore, asking any more than the continuation of the same salary.

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CON

Wilfrid Bruno Nantel

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. NANTEL.

(Translation.) But, nevertheless, he has received an increase of $1,000 this year.

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

(Translation.) No, not at all. He was paid $6,000 during the current year; that is to say, since the law passed during the last session has been in operation.

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CON

Samuel Simpson Sharpe

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. S. SHARPE.

Would the minister state the net additions to his staff during the past year ?

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

I could not give the number positively for the past year, I have been dealing with the current fiscal year only There is only one addition during the current fiscal year.

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CON

Samuel Simpson Sharpe

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. S. SHARPE.

Does this appropriation contemplate any additions ?

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

Yes, we will have to have one more official in the Archives Branch and provision is made for that. He will be in subdivision ' A J of the second division, a) special translator, who will be appointed under the Civil Service Act.

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CON

Samuel Simpson Sharpe

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. S. SHARPE.

Will there be a promotion ? 1

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

No ; he will have to come in from the outside as there is no one in the branch competent for that work.

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CON

Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

Would the minister give approximately the amount of increase P

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

I would not like to speak at a guess, but would repeat in general terms -

that there are no increases except the statutory increases under the Act. The lump

sum increase is due to the bringing in of clerks from the outside service.

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CON

Joseph Elijah Armstrong

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ARMSTRONG.

Could the minister give a statement of the number of officials and clerks in his department devoting their time entirely to agriculture ?

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

I suppose my hon. friend would not wish to include in that category the clerical branches, such as the accountant's branch, although they are largely engaged in work connected with agriculture. Perhaps it would be better if I should give him the number of officials in the non-agricultural branches and let him subtract that from the total. That statement would be about as follows : i

Branch Number of Clerks.

1st Division 2nd Division 3rd DivisionArchives (including provision for one appointment)

... 2 12 20Census and Statistics .... 3 6 22*Copyright and Trade Marks 1 2 5Patents Branch 1 19 20Public Health (two em-

*And one messenger.

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CON

Joseph Elijah Armstrong

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ARMSTRONG.

What about exhibitions ?

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

One stenographer in the deputy's office attends to the correspondence of that branch, but the rest of the exhibition branch are still in the outside service.

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CON

George Taylor

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TAYLOR.

I see by the details at page 23 that the minister is apparently asking an appropriation to pay the salaries of 269 officials, which would be an increase of 16 over the number of last year, including the outside servants who have been brought in. If any manufacturing or mercantile institution in Canada ran its business in this way, increasing its staff with a falling revenue, it would be in the bankruptcy courts in twelve months.

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

While there is an apparent increase it is not a real increase. Several of these votes are there in consequence of promotions. I anticipate in the coming fiscal year to promote some to higher divisions, and I have to make provision for their salaries. There are two vacancies by death and these are not included in the 193 brought in. I want a translator in the archives and I also require an assistant entomologist and botanist at the experimental farm. Dr. Fletcher, who was entomologist and botanist, has unfortunately passed away, and I will take this opportunity of saying that in his death Canada has lost one of the most efficient public servants of the country. His untimely demise is most deplorable from every point of view, and it is practically impossible to fill his place. I am making provision here for the bringing in of two men to fill the joint position held by Dr. Fletcher, and I hope there may be a little enlargement of the work. I have no hesitation in saying that if that work is to be continued and extended as it ought to be in the interests of agriculture in this country, it will require two men to take the place of that lamented and most efficient officer. The work of the department is growing all the time and men must be found to do it. The farmers of Canada are constantly complaining, and even hon. gentlemen opposite frequently complain, that I do not do more work for the agriculture of the country. I am trying to meet that in the most efficient and profitable way to the agricultural industry and the additions that are here provided for are necessary to continue and increase the work of the department.

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CON

Wilfrid Bruno Nantel

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. NANTEL.

(Translation.) The hon. minister, when answering to my question a moment ago about the salary of the patents' commissioner, said that this employee was filling a quasi-judiciary charge, that he had to give his decision upon very important cases. I will ask if the commissioner is a lawyer?

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February 5, 1909