July 16, 1908

CON

John Graham Haggart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAGGART.

The Quebec government may do this. This is for a line of railway, not to any particular company. They may make arrangements with the Quebec government to build it. You give it to the Quebec government, and you refuse the application of the Ontario government.

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

The Ontario government have not made any application.

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CON

John Graham Haggart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAGGART.

You cannot give it to the Quebec government under this vote.

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LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

This application was made some years ago by the late Quebec government, and it was not thought to be a wise policy at that time to assist local governments, if they wanted to build railroads, to come to the federal government for subsidies. The conclusion was reached several years ago when the application w7as made by the former government of Ontario.

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

I might call my hon. friend's attention to section 5 by which he will see that this subsidy must be given to a company.

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CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROTJLE.

The government are prepared to give substantial subsidies to connect cities in Quebec with the Transcontinental Railway, but when we reach Ontario they are not prepared to give a dollar.

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LIB
CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

It is not a city. The city of Toronto should be connected with the Transcontinental Railway in the same way as Montreal and Quebec are to be. Here is a subsidy given to one province for two hundred miles of railway to connect a great city with the Transcontinental Railway, but when you come into the province of Ontario it can get no subsidy. There is a discrimination in favour of one province as against the other.

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LIB
CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

I am dealing with 49. It is enough at one time. That is the situation and that is something that will appeal to the people of Ontario as being unfair, because an application was made for a subsidy to assist in connecting the southern portion of Ontario and the city of Toronto with the Transcontinental Railway, and as far as we know, it was refused. At any rate, there was no assistance given, but in this case we give assistance towards the construction of two hundred miles of railway in the province of Quebec.

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CON

John Graham Haggart

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HAGGART.

The Minister of Public Works drew my attention to clause 5. Does that provide that you cannot give a subsidy to a government?

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

It must be to a company or companies. The Governor in Council could not give a subsidy under this Act to any other than a company.

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LIB

Honoré Hippolyte Achille Gervais

Liberal

Mr. GERVAIS.

I would like to know from the hon. Minister of Railways and Canals (Mr. Graham) the name of the company that is to get this subsidy for building two hundred miles of railway between Montreal and the Transcontinental Railway.

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

The name is not given here. As in a great many votes, the company is not named. My hon. friend will remember that a very large deputation from Montreal, perhaps as large a deputation, with the exception of that on the Georgian Bay canal, as any of those which have waited upon us this year, waited on the government some few weeks ago urging what, to my mind, was a very reasonable request, that there should be some provision made for connecting Montreal with the main line of the Transcontinental Railway. It was taken into consideration. Unless it be the Grand Trunk Pacific branch lines company I do not know what company would undertake this work. We do not name the company, but we will give the bonus to the company that will build this two hundred miles.

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LIB

Honoré Hippolyte Achille Gervais

Liberal

Mr. GERVAIS.

No individual without the authorization of the central legislative power can build a railway in this country under the present state of legislation. The company must be organized with power given to it by this parliament or a provincial legislature to build a railway and I would like to know if it is the intention of the government to grant that subsidy to the first company which is ready to build the branch line from Montreal to the Grand Trunk Pacific. Montreal has been waiting for four years for the building of such a railroad, that is already too much. In Montreal, we have been prevented from having anything to do with the building of the Transcontinental Railway though Montreal will pay more that any other city for such construction. I am quite ready to support this vote for the building of a branch^ line

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between Montreal and the Transcontinental Railway, but I would like to know if this subsidy is to be paid to any individual who is ready to organize a company to build the branch line or if it is to be paid to a company already organized. I would like to know if the Canada Central Railway Company or some other company I heard something about is to get this subsidy. Is it the policy of the government to pay over the subsidy to any individual or company who will first undertake and operate the construction of this branch line?

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

The policy of the government is to give the bonus to the first company that will show us that it is ready and aide to build a line connecting Montreal with the Transcontinental Railway.

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LIB

Honoré Hippolyte Achille Gervais

Liberal

Mr. GERYAIS.

Have conditions been laid down under which the subsidy can be earned?

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

There are the usual conditions. They have to make a contract with the Department of Railways and Canals which is approved by order in council. They will have to show their willingness, and, in our best judgment, their ability and we will make a contract with them to give them the subsidy for the building of that line.

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LIB

Honoré Hippolyte Achille Gervais

Liberal

Mr. GERVAIS.

Then the government is not already obliged to pay the subsidy except to a company which is ready to build and operate this railway according to law?

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM.

We are not committed to any person.

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July 16, 1908