July 14, 1908

LIB

Alexander Johnston

Liberal

Mr. JOHNSTON.

Will the hon. gentleman allow me to say that so anxious is the Dominion Coal Company at Sydney to obtain this schooner trade that it has standing advertisements in the newspapers calling on schooners to go to Glace Bay, where they have made special arrangements for loading them. They are anxious for this trade, and it is not fair on the part of my hon. friend to say that they are not. The only discrimination of a serious character that has occurred in this connection happened at Inverness last fall, and that is not likely to arise again.

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CON

Alfred Alexander Lefurgey

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LEFURGEY.

I am not prepared to take the assurances of the hon. member for Pictou nor of the hon. member for Cape Breton ; but I am glad to hear these hon. gentlemen say that some redress has been given to the grievances under which the coasting trade has suffered in the past-However, there is no guarantee that they will be free from such abuses in the future.

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CON

Alfred Alexander Lefurgey

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LEFURGEY.

You can give them the guarantee that the foreign coasting trade is not to come in to fill their places. The schooners have to lie at Sydney or Inverness for six or eight weeks, waiting for their load, while the steamers load up and carry their cargo up the St. Lawrence and "come back and load up again.

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CON

Alfred Alexander Lefurgey

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LEFLTRGEY.

There must be some way out. I believe the State of Massaehu-

setts had a law some years ago compelling the vessels to load in rotation, the only exception being that of a steamer which come In for bunker coal. I cannot pick up a paper from the maritime provinces without seeing that the agitation of this question is going on from day to day. Some stringent regulation should be put upon the management of the coal shipping piers, and one of the best ways of rehabilitating our shipping interest is to have a bonus on ship-building so that we may rebuild our shipping and maintain our ships as we did some twenty or twenty-five years ago.

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LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

My hon. friend has discussed two questions which are important, but which have no relation to the Bill. The first is with regard to a shipping bounty, a very important question, but it is not involved in this measure at all. If we give a bounty of $50 a ton, we could not get vessels built fast enough to meet the requirements of the coal companies. The second is the difficulty between sailing vessels and steamers at the piers. I believe that difficulty occurred only at one pier at Cape Breton, and I am assured that a remedy has been supplied. But even if there were no remedy, that does not touch the object of this Bill at all. Then my hon. friend says if we only stop these Norwegian steamers, we will have the business for our own vessels. That was his argument.

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CON
LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

He wants to shut out these Norwegian steamers altogether. We want to shut them out in a general way, but the coal companies say that if we do not give them reasonable time, they will have no vessels to carry their trade. I represent a constituency which has a good deal of shipping, but if we only carried our coal in the wooden vesesls which we build there, the coal companies could not do a profitable business at all. If they could not use large steamers in carrying their coal, we could not have any coal trade up the St. Lawrence. It is only by building special steamers adapted to the trade, that we can make anything out of it.

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CON

Alfred Alexander Lefurgey

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LEFURGEY.

Let us build Messager-ies inaritimes.

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William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

And in the meantime shut up the collieries.

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CON
LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

Yes, we have launched this day in the town of New Glasgow, a magnificent steel ship and without giving any bonus. It was built by enterprising people and I wish them every success.

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CON

Alfred Alexander Lefurgey

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LEFURGEY.

But you have not aided them in any way.

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William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

I am not going to discuss that question. It may or may not be good policy to aid ship-building. There are certain privileges which have been granted for many years, and whatever advantages there may be in these will go to the splendid steel ship launched by the firm of Carmichael & Co.

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LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

Well, there has to be a beginning to everything.

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Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

Since the Minister of Finance is going into a discussion entirely away from the Bill, I rise to a point of order.

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LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

I think my hon. friend is right.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

Might I inquire what is the tonnage of this vessel ?

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July 14, 1908