July 13, 1908

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Joseph Gédéon Horace Bergeron

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BERGERON.

But if the department is to have a purchasing agent, why should not that purchasing agent buy according to his own judgment?

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LIB

Louis-Philippe Brodeur (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. BRODEUR.

Certainly. That is what he is going to do.

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LIB
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John Dowsley Reid

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. D. REID.

The purchasing agent should be allowed to purchase wherever he wishes to. But I know what will happen [DOT]-there will be no difference from the condition of affairs we have known. The minister speaks of calling for tenders for over $5,000, but there are many purchases that aggregate same $5,000 to $40,000, the purchases made in small quantities.

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John Dowsley Reid

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. D. REID.

Yes. The minister shakes his head. He has many times questioned the accuracy of my statements, and yet I think I have established them all. I can take the Auditor General's Report and show where he has purchased for the use of the department $10,000 from one person in the course of a year and has paid retail prices. Now, what the department ought to do is to follow the course taken by the Department of Railways and Canals some years ago. Seeing that the same goods were purchased from time to time, tenders were asked for the supply of these goods for a year, and the different centres of. departmental work were supplied as required. But I can foresee what will happen-the minister will give tlie purchasing agent a list of names of merchants, and the purchasing agent will buy from these at retail prices ; he will purchase $5,000 worth at the same rates, that I would purchase $5 worth. The hon. gentleman knows that his deputy minister declared before Judge Cassels that had the purchases been made at wholesale rates, as he had urged should be done, $200,000 would have been saved under the present minister. I have no doubt that in the next three years another $200,000 will be lost.

Department of Public Works-to provide for the increase in salary of the ohief clerk appointed to the position of Assistant Deputy

Minister of Public Works at $3,600 per annum, from April 1, 1908, $1,650

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Joseph Gédéon Horace Bergeron

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BERGERON.

Has the successor to Mr. Gelinas, the late secretary been appointed ?

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George di Madeiros Loy

Mr. PUGS LEY.

No appointment has yet been made.

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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. PUGSLEY.

Yes, very soon.

Board of Civil Service Examiners-to increase the salary of Dr. Thorburn, chairman of the Board of Civil Service Examiners, $400.

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George William Fowler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOWLER.

I do not think this amount should be increased. Dr. Thor-burn is getting $500 for holding examinations, and that should pay him pretty well.

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William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

He held two examinations at special points in the west during this year.

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John Dowsley Reid

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. D. REID.

You are increasing the salary of this man from $500 to $900, and yet there are a lot of poor men in the service who expected a little increase this session, and they are not going to get one cent.

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George William Fowler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOWLER.

In consequence of an explanation which the Clerk of the House has made to me, I withdraw any objection I had to this item.

Supreme Court of Canada-contingencies- additional amount required, $500.

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Joseph Gédéon Horace Bergeron

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BERGERON.

I understand that there is a gentleman over in Paris buying boons for the Supreme Court. I think he has bought about $35,000 worth of books in Paris. Who ordered those books?

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Allen Bristol Aylesworth (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. AYLESWORTH.

There is nobody in Paris, that I am aware of, buying books for us. There was a proposition made last year when a vote of $5,000 was taken, that the money should be handed to a dealer in books living in Montreal, and that he should get all the books he could for that amount. I declined to sanction such an arrangement, and the money was left to be expended under the supervision of the judges, by the registrar of the court. The books wanted were particularly in the line of French civil law, and the work of purchasing them was to be supervised by the Chief Justice and Mr. Justice Girouard. But no one has been commissioned to make purchases in the old country, so far as I know.

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Joseph Gédéon Horace Bergeron

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BERGERON.

The information I had was that orders had been given to buy books in Paris, and that instead of buying them in Paris one gentleman was buying old books around Montreal and having them 4104

bound again, and another one was in Paris to do the same work. It looked like a scheme.

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July 13, 1908