July 10, 1908

CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROTJLE.

What distinction between a terminal point and a terminal elevator?

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LIB

John Crawford

Liberal

Mr. CRAWFORD.

The grain might be billed to a public terminal elevator and ordered forward to a further point. According to this clause, if billed to a terminal elevator, it would have to be weighed, although an order was subsequently given to send it on to a further point.

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CON

William D. Staples

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STAPLES.

If it is put into an elevator, it will certainly be weighed; but if it was ordered on, it is optional with the owner whether he has it weighed or not.

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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

Yes.

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CON

William D. Staples

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STAPLES.

I do not see any objection provided the shipper thoroughly understands the amendment.

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CON

William Wright

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WILLIAM WRIGHT.

What docs it cost to remove the grain from the ear and weigh it ?

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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

It costs three-quarters of a cent a bushel to officially weigh the grain which is a considerable tax.

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Amendment agreed to. On section 10-subsection 11, Every public terminal warehouseman in the Manitoba inspection division shall insure against fire with companies satisfactory to the commissioners, all grain received, handled or stored by him.


LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

I move that the following words be inserted ; Provided always that this subsection shall not apply to eastern transfer warehousemen. The reason for making the exception in the case of the transfer elevator, is that when the grain reaches the eastern transfer elevator it is under insurance by the owner, and there is not the same necessity of making a provision for insurance that exists in the western part. So far as the Fort William terminal to which point the farmer sends his grain, he is not in a position to take special means to insure.

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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

Therefore we require the warehouseman shall insure everything in his warehouse. But we except the eastern division, because the warehouse man puts on the insurance, and the dealer makes his own insurance.

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William D. Staples

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STAPLES.

Therefore the owuer is fully protected all the way through.

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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

He protects himself after he leaves Fort William. He is protected to Fort William, and after he leaves Fort William lie must protect himself, so far as insurance is concerned.

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CON

Frederick Laurence Schaffner

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SCHAFFNER.

It has been suggested that no grain shall leave the point after being inspected unless the owner or his agent gives an order by writing, so there shall be something to show.

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LIB
LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

It might be held that the telegram was not a sufficient order, though it would be sufficient.

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CON

Frederick Laurence Schaffner

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SCHAFFNER.

It is a better order than exists now.

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LIB

James Conmee

Liberal

Mr. CONMEE.

The elevator man must haye some evidence that the order is given, he will look out for himself.

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LIB
LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

I move to add this subsection :

Provided always that this subsection shall not apply to eastern transfer warehousemen.

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LIB

James Conmee

Liberal

Mr. CONMEE.

I want to refer to subsection 8 of section 9 which reads:

Im no case, whether in a public terminal elevator in the Manitoba inspection division or in an eastern transfer elevator, shall grain of different grades be mixed together while in store.

I want to point out what may possibly take place. The machinery of that clause simply provides that while they may mix the grades at Winnipeg and St. Boniface, by legislation, that same action is prohibited at the terminal or transfer elevators. That comes back to the point of the motion I suggested this morning. I think it is decidedly unfair. Whatever treatment or arrangement there is for handling the grain at Winnipeg should apply to other elevators. I do not see why that should not include all elevators In the Manitoba inspection division. If It is intended to iuclude the terminal elevators of that division, and the Port Arthur and Fort William elevators are in the Manitoba division, and to include the eastern transfer elevators as well, I wish to ask the minister If he does not think that the wording of that section should be changed so as to include the Winnipeg elevators.

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July 10, 1908