July 10, 1908

LIB

Theodore Arthur Burrows

Liberal

Mr. BURROWS.

That is part of the present traffic arrangement. They stop the grain and mill it.

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CON

Richard Stuart Lake

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LAKE.

I merely want to point out that this is giving a limited time to the farmers to take advantage of through

rates. I think there should be a sufficiency of cars. If that were the case, this arrangement could be carried out the whole year round.

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LIB

James Conmee

Liberal

Mr. CONMEE.

This arrangement with the grain shipper and the miller is that, in the case of the mills, the cars are unloaded and go off for another load; in this case they are held for twenty-four hours.

On section 41-loading lines for grain to be marked inside cars.

Mr. OLIVER moved to :

Leave out section 118a and substitute the following therefor:

118a. For the purpose of preserving the identity of grain in transit from Winnipeg to points of consumption itn eastern Canada or to ports of export shipment on the sea board, the warehouse commissioner may grant to any shipper permission to lease for such term as is approved by him special bins in such terminal or transfer elevators as are necessarily used in the transportation of grain eastward from Winnipeg for the special binning of grain in transit. The bin capacity which may be so leased in any terminal or transfer elevator shall be -as the warehouse commissioner shall approve, but shall not be lesj than 16,000 bushels in any elevator. The term of the several leases shall be as approved by the warehouse commissioner.

2. The shipper receiving -such permission may, -subject to its terms, enter into agreement for the lease of special bins in terminal and transfer elevators necessary to the transportation of grain from Winnipeg to the point of destination.

3. The rates to be paid for the lease of such special bins shall be such as are agreed upon: provided that on payment of the regular rate for the full capacity leased for the full term of the lease the shipper acting under the permission of the warehouse commissioner, as in this section provided, shall be given a lease of the bin capacity to which he thereby becomes entitled.

4. Upon the shipper who -has secured such permission producing to the warehouse commissioner satisfactory evidence that lie holds leases of such special bins in the several terminal or transfer elevators necessary to the transportation of grain from Winnipeg to the point of destination as will enable him to -preserve the identity of the grain during its transportation from Winnipeg to the point of destination in not less than 16,000 bushel lots and that such leases are in accordance with the permission already granted, the warehouse commissioner may authorize such shipper to take such means as are necessary or possible within the provisions of this Act and of the Inspection and Sale Act to preserve the identity of grain which he desires to ship through the elevators in which he holds leases of special bins.

5. The warehouse commissioner shall issue such instructions and regulations within the provisions of this Act and of the Inspection and Sale Aot as are practicable and necessary for the preservation of the identity of grain which is being shipped by the shipper to whom permission has been given as provided

in this section, using bins specially leased in the several elevators as above provided for the storage and trans-shipment of such grain: provided always that nothing in this section or in such instructions or regulations shall be construed to authorize the placing of grain of different grades in the same special bin in any terminal or transfer elevator.

6. An infraction of any of the instructions or regulations issued by the warehouse commissioner under this section shall be deemed to be an infraction of the provisions of this Act.

7. The provisions of the Inspection and Sale Act shall apply to grain specially binned in transit under the provisions of this section.

8. The provisions of this section shall have effect only from the fifteenth day of December in any year to the first day of September in the following year.

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CON

Frederick Laurence Schaffner

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SCHAFFNER.

If it is limited to the period from the 15th December to the 1st of September that about destroys all the good that may be in it.

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CON

William D. Staples

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STAPLES.

The decision is in the hands of the commissioner as to whether special bins shall be allowed or not.

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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

Yes.

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CON
CON

Frederick Laurence Schaffner

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SCHAFFNER.

It is of very little benefit.

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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

Possibly. Of course, a great many people hold that it will be a very serious detriment.

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CON

Frederick Laurence Schaffner

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SCHAFFNER.

But, if the Grain Growers' Association, after consulting with hon. members on the other side, in regard to which we know nothing, are willing to subscribe to such a condition they should not expect members on this side of the House to advocate very enthusiastically what they want. If they want special binning, they want it, but if it is limited to the period from the 15th December to the 1st September it will not be of very much benefit to them.

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LIB

Samuel Jacob Jackson

Liberal

Mr. S. J. JACKSON.

The representatives of the farmers are perfectly satisfied to have this from the 15th December to the 1st September, because they know that with the large crops that we expect to have the yards in Winnipeg will be so congested that it will be impossible for them to do any business.

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CON

William D. Staples

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STAPLES.

If the farmers' delegation do not want this privilege-the hon. gentleman (Mr. Jackson) says he has been in conference with them while we are allowed to remain in the dark-I suppose we will have to accept the Bill as it has been prepared. But, from the information I have from the Grain Growers' Association of Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta, I am satisfied that they do want the privilege of special binning. I think that special bin-Mr. OLIVER

ning, if it does not create too great a congestion, is a proper thing.

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CON

Frederick Laurence Schaffner

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SCHAFFNER.

Do I understand the hon. gentleman (Mr. Jackson) to say that the farmers do not want this special binning privilege ?

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LIB
CON

Frederick Laurence Schaffner

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SCHAFFNER.

I understood the hon. gentleman to say so.

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LIB

Samuel Jacob Jackson

Liberal

Mr. S. J. JACKSON.

Were you talking with reference to special binning before I came in ?

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CON
LIB
CON

Frederick Laurence Schaffner

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SCHAFFNER.

I have not received an answer to my question as to whether the members of the Grain Growers' Association of the west are willing to accept this Act as presented now under which the special binning privilege will only prevail from the 15th December in one year to the 1st September in the next year.

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July 10, 1908