We have to handle this subject pretty carefully, for this reason. I know that the farmers of the west very generally want an order point at Winnipeg ; but if you pass such an amendment as this, you are going to do away with the possibility of an order point. There is no doubt that five-sixths of the grain of the Northwest is mixed in elevators. The elevators have not the capacity necessary for maintaining the identity of any man's grain. There is no doubt also that the grain is inspected in Winnipeg in carload lots. The hon. member for Rainy River (Mr. Conmee) has the idea that the grain is put in an elevator to be inspected, whereas any western man knows that it is inspected while in the car. The samples are taken from the car and inspected, and the grain passes on to Fort William.
1 do not know what percentage of that grain is sold in Winnipeg or passes through the elevator there, but a very small per cent. It is unfortunate that the special privilege should be accorded to elevator men in Winnipeg to buy grain and mix it, whereas the same privilege is not accorded at Port Arthur or Fort William. As I understand this business-and I have been at all the conferences except one-there is an elevator man at Port Arthur who makes a specialty of cleaning, drying and scouring grain. The grain is inspected in the elevator and it is inspected out again. The inspector at Winnipeg inspects that grain ; and when it goes Into the elevator at Port Arthur it is mixed, so that its identity is not preserved, except so far as it Is No. 1 scoured it would go into a bin of No. 1 scoured, and it is inspected out as No 1 scoured, and is sold as that particular grade. Therefore I think it would be most unfortunate to allow the mixing of grain in this elevator. I know that the owner of that elevator thinks that when he scours the grain it is bettter than it was before-better than No. 1 bard. He also thinks that No. 1 damp is better after he has dried it than the other grain which was not damp at all. If that is his opinion, and lie mixes the grain, it will have a very unfortunate effect. The main object of the farmers in asking for this legislation is to prevent the mixing of grades and also to have an order point in Winnipeg ; so that if their grain goes above No. 2, though it will not grade No. 1, or if it grades between No.
2 and No. 3, they will get the benefit of the increased value of their grain ; and the only way they can get that is by having an order point at Winnipeg where the grain can be sold on a sample. The buyer in Winnipeg will have the same privilege as the miller from Ontario or the old country of buying that grain. If a dealer buys it, he may mix it in the Winnipeg elevator, because it has not been graded. The farmer is then more likely to get the value of his grain. After the grain is once inspected, no more mixing should he allowed. If you
are going to have an inspection at Fort William, you will require the same force of men there as you have at Winnipeg ; it would require a duplication of the entire force. It seems to me thaFyou should have one point for inspection, I do not care whether you make it at Winnipeg or at Fort William.
iMr. LAKE. The hon. gentleman's argument in regard to a sample market at Winnipeg is quite correct after you get to the 15th December ; but up to that time the farmer is at his disadvantage as compared with the private grain dealer, that he cannot have his grain mixed and cleaned before inspection, while the private grain dealer can do so in the Winnipeg elevator.