June 10, 1908

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LIB

Honoré Hippolyte Achille Gervais

Liberal

Sir. GERVAIS.

Sly information is that the hon. member (Sir. Slonk) was at one of the meetings at least.

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LIB

Honoré Hippolyte Achille Gervais

Liberal

Sir. GERVAIS.

I think the hon. member (Sir. Slonk) will not deny that Sir. Charlier went once to his office and that at that time he did not think that Sir. Charlier was so bad. If the hon. gentleman (Sir. Slonk) does deny that Sir. Charlier went to his office on St. Frangois Xavier street, will he deny that he met Charlier in the office of Sir. L. G. A. Cresse, his bosom friend? I find in ' La Presse ' of November 10, 1899, that the Hon. Sir. Taillon, Mr. Cornellier, Sir. Charlier and Sir. Cresse spoke from the same platform when the St. James Workingman's Club was established under the supervision and supreme care of the hon. member for Jacques Cartier. This report is worth reading.

Some hon. S1ES1BERS. Read it.

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Honoré Hippolyte Achille Gervais

Liberal

Sir. GERVAIS.

Here it is:

(Translation.)

Hon. Sir. Taillon speaks ait the Conservative Workmen's Club-Liberal deceit-New Cheers for Sir. C. A. Cornellier-a Frenchman from old France speaks sympathetic words.

Last night's meeting of the St. James division Conservative Workmen's Club has been a success, just as every one of the previous meetings of that club. The gathering was presided over hy Mr. Azaire Lamarche and the hall was crowded with voters anxious to hear political questions of the day discussed by the orators on the bill.

Minutes being read the following were admitted as members of the club : Messurs.

Aza Filiatrault, P. Arthur Cot?, Jas. Cham-poux, Dr. J. Bte Campeau, O. Rochon, T. Saint-Pierrre. J. Hector Lesage, J. N. Bergeron, A. Houde, H. G. Thibauleau, Arthur Sauve, E. Neveu, Sr., E. Neveu, L. J. Noel, C. Paquette, J. Ed. Lamothe, Louis Laferriere, J. L. Cadieux.

Mr. Nap. Royal proposed, seconded by Mr. L. T. Frigon, that Mr. Pierre Germain be elected a member of the committee of the club St. Jacques. Carried.

Mr. Joseph Jubinville proposed, seconded by Mr. H. Royal that Mr. J. H. Lesage, advocate, be elected corresponding secretary of the Workmen's Conservative Club. St. James division. Carried. , , , ,

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Frigon, proposed, seconded by Mr. P. Auger, that the name of Mr. R. Wilson Smith, ex-anayor of Montreal, be added to the list of honorary presidents of the Workmen's Conservative Club, St. James division.

That the members of this club take advantage of the present opportunity to assure him that they unanimously join in the hope expressed by the Conservatives of St. Lawrence and St. Louis divisions that he will once more be the Conservative standard bearer in the coming struggle.

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Lamarche proposed, seconded by Mr. N. Royal, that Hon. Damien Holland and Mr. L. G. A. Cresse be appointed honorary vicepresidents. Carried.

Mr. Jos. Venue proposed, seconded by Mr. A. Panneton, that the following gentlemen be added to the list of honorary members : Hon. J. D. Villenueuve, P. Decarie, J. A. David, Arthur Labelle, J. A. Brossard, H. Jeannotte, Prs. Martineau, Jos. Lamarre, A. C. Trudeau, Jos. Letange, E. Pelletier, J. N. Emard, Chas. Grothie, Dr. Rac-icot, E. Lapointe, Jos. Paquette Toussadnt Gauthier.

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Mr. J. H.@

Lesage made a speech and then Mr. Cornellier spoke, and he introduced Mr. Charlier to the meeting and this is what he had to say :

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Cornellier, whose eloquent voice had been heard many times before in the club, was then loudly called upon to speak. The gifted orator received from the -audience a most enthusiastic greeting; indeed the electors of -St. Jaimes are no strangers to his gift, both as a speaker and an advocate.

I had come this evening, said Mr. Cornellier, to hear the Hon. Mr. Taillon, whom we all regard with veneration and whom we greet with uncovered heads whenever we have the advantage of meeting him.

In a rapid review of the situation with respect to the Transvaal question, Mr. Cornellier then held up to ridicule the defence of Mr. Laurier and his friends in the province of Quebec. ' They contend/ he said, ' that England forced the Canadian government to send a contingent of our soldiers to Africa. That is absolutely untrue. They themselve-s offered a regiment to England ; the offer was accepted in order not to displease the colony, but a second offer made by Mr. Lauirder and his government was refused/

Here Mr. Cornellier said-I will read it in French.

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An hon. MEMBER.

Read it in Italian.

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R. PREFONTAINE.


I insisted on having a more mandatory order from the late Minister of Marine. Here it Is : (Translation.) ! Honore Gervais, Esq., M.P., Chairman of the Debates Committee, House of Commons, Ottawa. My Dear Gervais,-I specially recommend to you Mr. Edouard Charlier, journalist, for the position of proofreader to the French Debates staff which has been talked about for a while. To my knowledge, Mr. Charlier has all the necessary qualifications to discharge those duties in a proper manner. Yours truly,


R. PREFONT AINE.


(Translation.) I Honore Gervais, Esq., M.P., Chairman of the Debates Committee, House of Commons, Ottawa. Dear Sir,-You ask me whether I believe that Mr. Charlier would be a good translator on the Debates staff. I say yes, and I rely on facts, Mr. Charlier having, this year, translated in a satisfactory manner about fifty pages of ' Hansard.' I have the honour to be, Yourst truly, (Signed.) WILFRID LAROSE, Chief Translator. 10239 [DOT]



Then the first appointment of Mr. Charlier was made, and he proved to be a first-class nroof-reader, because for the first time in the history of the ' Hansard ' of the. House of Commons, within four days after the date of prorogation all the proofs had been read and all the printing matter had been delivered to the King's Printer, just because Mr. Charlier had been added to the translation staff. I ask leave to read the following certificate of Dr. Dawson, the King's Printer : Ottawa, July 26, 1905.


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Hon. R.@

Prefontaine,

Minister of Marine and Fisheries,

Ottawa.

Dear Sir,-Every line of the English Debate lias been translated into French and the proofs have been corrected and are, except 15 galleys, now in my hands. This is the first time that this work has been done so quickly and it is largely due to the improvement in the proof-reading which has been recently introduced by the Hansard committee and carried out by the appointment of a new proofreader Mr. Edouard Charlier.

Yours truly,

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S. E. DAWSON,


King's Printer and Controller of Stationery. Then there was some undue interference from some quarter, and the good work, which had been started years ago at my Instigation has been handicapped and has been left unfinished. If the Debates Committee had been given a free hand in the supervision of the reporting, translating and printing of the Official Debates, there would be no complaints against our committee today, and within twenty-four hours after the publication of the nnrevised English edition, there would be a French edition of the Debates for distribution throughout the province of Quebec. But the remarks on that point I reserve until the third report of the committee will come up for adoption. Now, it is said that Mr. Charlier has been convicted of libel. That is true ; but, Mr. Speaker, please listen to the circumstances of the case. I may say at the outset that there are now sitting in this parliament at least five members and senators who have been in jail either for libel or contempt of court. In that there is nothing dishonourable, nothing to complain of ; because these questions of libel and contempt of court are differently appreciated according to the condition of mind that prevails in different ages. What was a criminal libel In 1840 is considered now to be a subject of free discussion in all the newspapers of the land, because freedom of speech is greater or smaller according to the condition of mind of each age. I may add, as being much in favour of Mr. Charlier the following explanation : When he was convicted in the Assize Court of defamatory libel, the late Hon. Mr. Justice Wur-Mr. GERVAIS. tele asked Mr. Charlier, who was the actual author of the article which wras complained of, adding should he divulge such name he would be given liberty. Mr. Charlier said : ' I cannot disclose the name ; I prefer to go to jail.' Then the late Mr. Justice Wurtele said : ' All right ; if you do not want to divulge the name of the actual author, I will pass sentence upon you.' It speaks strongly In favour of Charlier ; there are not many men among my compatriots or among the other citizens of this country who are ready to go to jail just for the sake of standing firm and keeping secret the name of a man wrho has written something in a newspaper. Charlier said : I accept the responsibility of all that has been published in my paper ; I have been found guilty, I suffer for it,- and then he was sentenced. There is not much to be said upon this. Instead of impugning his character we should praise him because there is so little courage in our day. And, Mr. Speaker, my statement is borne out by the great organ of the member for Jacques Cartier, ' Le Rappel.' When he was sounding the bugle to bring back all his followers, the lost recruits, he established that great newspaper, ' Le Rappel.'


CON

Frederick Debartzch Monk

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MONK.

I must take exception to wlmt my hon. friend says ; I have no organ and never had any organ.

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June 10, 1908