June 4, 1908

LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

They purport to make a medical examination themselves but it is simply for the purpose of assuring themselves that there is little or no danger of anything occurring during the passage. That is not good enough for our purpose.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

One would suppose that if there is a certain danger of their being put to the expense of taking a large proportion of the immigrants back they would make a medical examination of the same character as that to which the immigrant is subjected on his arrival here.

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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

That is our object, and I believe we are in the way of attaining it.

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CON

Richard Stuart Lake

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LAKE.

Could you not induce the shipping companies to a frame of mind which would lead them to require medical certificates at the port of embarkation ?

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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

We are probably getting them to that frame of mind by compelling them to take the immigrants back.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

Does the United States make a medical examination at the port of embarkation ?

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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

Yes, at southern European ports, but not at British ports.

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CON

Frederick Laurence Schaffner

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SCHAFFNER.

If immigrants have been in this country for a year and six months are the steamship companies responsible for their return ?

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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

We think it unfair to hold the steamship people responsible for more than a year after the arrival of the immigrant, but if an immigrant were here for over a year we have an arrangement with the steamship companies to take them back at a charity rate which we pay.

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CON

Frederick Laurence Schaffner

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SCHAFFNER.

What is that rate?

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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

Fifteen dollars across the Atlantic.

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CON

William D. Staples

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STAPLES.

Do the booking agents go through the rural districts soliciting immigrants?

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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

Generally they advertise their business, and I understand that a few of them do make such a canvass.

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CON

William D. Staples

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STAPLES.

If these agents go to the homes of intending immigrants the medical examination should be made at the originating point. A responsible medical officer in the district should give a certificate which would be presented to the booking agent and*by him to the steamship company. This would save a great deal of trouble to the government and a great deal of distress to immigrants who may be sent back. For what disease is the majority of these immigrants deported? I understand that trachoma is very prevalent and that the disease is spreading and is incurable.

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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

I have heard it said that the disease is incurable and I have also heard it is not difficult to cure. In the hospitals which have been established at the ocean ports we give treatment for it, and in a very large number of cases there is said to be complete recovery.

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L-C

John Herron

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. HERRON.

Who can tell whether an immigrant is or is not a farmer so that the booking agent is entitled to the bonus? To my own knowledge men who professed to be farmers knew nothing at all about the business, but no doubt the bonus was paid on them.

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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

I have already gone oyer that question twice to-night, but for the information of my hon. friend I will go over it again. The booking agent makes his claim, stating that the immigrant has represented himself thus and so to him. That claim is checked against the statement made by the immigrant to the inspecting officer at the point of landing. The ship's manifest shows the name of the immigrant, so that the chain of identification is complete. If it is found that the statement of the immigrant accords with the claim of the booking agent, there is a prima facie case for the payment of the bonus. However, the department has an opportunity of knowledge in regard to the subsequent movements of the immigrant, which is fairly

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accurate; and if it is found on inquiry that a man in regard to whom a bonus has been paid has not followed the occupation he declared his intention of following, the amount of the bonus is deducted from the next payment to the booking agent. That is not an infallible check, but I think that the statement of homestead entry made upon thle lands in the Northwest generally, in proportion to the total immigration, fairly well bears out the belief that we do not pay bonuses on more people than the booking agents are really entitled to receive payment upon.

Some resolutions reported.

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FIRST READING.


Bill (No. 179) to incorporate the Synod of the Diocese of Keewatin.-Mr. MeCraney. Mr. FIELDING moved the adjournment of the House.


June 4, 1908