June 4, 1908

CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN (Carleton).

Before the orders of the day are called I ask the Minister of Public Works whether tenders have been accepted for dredging contracts and if so what are the contracts ?

Topic:   DREDGING CONTRACTS.
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LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Hon. WM. PUGSLEY (Minister of Public Works).

Tenders have been accepted for certain dredging in Ontario and Quebec.

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LIB

Robert Franklin Sutherland (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER.

Am I to understand that the hon. member rises to a question of privilege to explain something personal to himself ?

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CON

John Dowsley Reid

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. D. REID.

Exactly. This matter has been before the Public Accounts Committee for the last six weeks and I have urged the hon. member for Lunenburg who has charge of it

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LIB

Louis-Philippe Brodeur (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. BRODEUR.

The hon. gentleman is referring to proceedings before the committee which have not been reported to the House.

Topic:   DREDGING CONTRACTS.
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Mr J D REID.

I asked that this matter be brought up and the Minister of Marine staved it off until I was not present.

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LIB

Louis-Philippe Brodeur (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. BRODEUR.

I rise to a point of order, Mr. Speaker I have no objection to the hon. gentleman making a statement, but as he wishes to be offensive in his remarks I take the point that this matter is under investigation before the Public Accounts Committee and has been postponed until next week.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

The hon. member for G-renville is referring to a statement in the public press.

Mr. ,T. D. REID. I am denying a statement in the public press. This matter will come up in the committee on Wednesday' next when I shall be present and I hope the Minister of Marine will be there too so that the question can be gone into thoroughly. In the meantime I state that I deny the whole matter absolutely.

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SUPPLY-CALGARY TOWN SITE.


Mr. FIELDING moved that the House go into Committee of Supply.


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Mr. M. S.@

McCarthy (Calgary). I desire to bring briefly to the attention of the House a question as to the disposition of certain government town sites in the new provinces of the west. The history of these government town sites so far as I can gather is that about the year 1882 the government and the Canadian Pacific Railway entered into a partnership and had joint town sites. Some years after the interest of the Canadian Pacific Railway in these town sites was relinquished to the government and the government have gone on transferring from time to time their interests in these town sites to the respective town and city corporations. For example, in the city of Regina the government town site consisted of four sections. A very small portion of this land was used by the city for city purposes and some years ago the government handed over to the city of Regina the balance of the town sites which were not then occupied. The same thing was done in the case of the city of Macleod. So far as I can understand this property was transferred to these corporations as a free gift and without requiring any money to be paid by the municipal corporation in each case The same applies to Moosejaw, to Qu'Ap-peile, and to Battleford. In the case of Regina this appears to have been a very handsome gift from the government. Some few years ago I saw it stated in the Manitoba 'Free Press' that up to that date the city of Regina had realized over $1,000,000 by the sale of this property. Now, I am not objecting that the government should transfer the interest they have in these town sites to the respective cities, but I would like to know from the government whether the transfer was a sale or a gift. I

Mr. J D RETD

My information is that the respective cities received this property as a gift from the government. I desire to point out to the Minister of the Interior especially that in the city of Calgary in section 14 there still remain in the hands of the government some sixty acres of these old town sites, and if similar property has been transferred to these other cities, then I urge upon the government and upon the Minister of the Interior that the sixty acres in section 14, township 24, range 1, west of 5th meridian, be handed over to the city of Calgary. I make that request on behalf of the city of Calgary. The government some years ago had a special survey made of this property and it was divided into villa lots. In 1902 another survey was made and it was divided into city lots. There are about 243 of these lots and the valuation placed upon them by a government official was from $50 to $250 each. I desire therefore to be informed by the government if they have surrendered their interest in the town sites to Regina, Macleod, Moosejaw, Qu'Appelle and Battleford, and on what terms ? If the land was given as a gift to these cities, I ask the government to grant my request to transfer to the city of Calgary the undisposed of government property in section 14. If the Minister of the Interior desires any further information from the view point I have of the matter I will be very glad to send it to him so as not to take up the time of the House now.

Topic:   SUPPLY-CALGARY TOWN SITE.
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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Hon. FRANK OLIVER (Minister of the Interior).

If the hon. gentleman wants the question properly considered it would be only fair that he should have given me notice that he was to bring it to the attention of the House and to ask a question. As he has not done so he will have to be content with such answer as I can make.

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CON

Maitland Stewart McCarthy

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. M. S. MCCARTHY.

I thought this matter was before the minister for some years and that applications had been made to the department with respect to it. On the 21st of January, 1907, I asked what property was still undisposed of and the minister answered as reported in ' Hansard ' : that the villa lots in section 14 remained with the government. Deputations from the city of Calgary have waited on the Minister of the Interior and a great deal of correspondence in reference to this question has passed between him and residents of Calgary.

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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

I will not dispute that my hon. friend asked a question in January, nor shall I dispute the answer he got, nor am I going to dispute that possibly there is a large amount of correspondence in the department in regard to it. But I humbly submit that if the hon. gentleman wanted his question fairly considered to-

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day lie would have given me reasonable notice of his intention just as he had to give notice in January of the question he then asked. While this particular question is certainly of importance and requires attention, it is a recognized rule of the House that if an hon. member desires information, or to precipitate a discussion in regal'd to any matter he shall give notice of his intention so to do. I take it that my hon. friend is not anxious to get an answer to this particular question at this particular time. I can only say that so far as my memory goes the city of Calgary has not communicated with the department asking that these lots be handed over to tlie city. When the city does make such a request, it will receive every consideration at the hands of the department.


FEDERAL INTERFERENCE IN PROVINCIAL ELECTIONS.

CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

I would like to bring to the attention of my hon. friend the Minister of Railways and Canals a communication which has been made to me this morning by a reputable person to the effect that the Intercolonial Railway employees in the county of Temiscouata are being coerced and intimidated to vote for the Liberal candidate in the provincial elections there against their will. This is not the first intimation we have had of federal activity in this election. I have already brought to the attention of the Prime Minister the use that has been made of the government steamer ' Champlain and while very plausible excuses have been made for the courses taken on two different occasions in the use of that steamer, it can nevertheless be proved that on one occasion Conservatives were refused admission to the steamer for the purpose of attending a political meeting, and that on another occasion it passed a point where there were a number of Conservatives, without calling and where a call would have been made in the usual course. The Minister of Railways and Canals gave me a very frank and satisfactory answer in regard to pressure which had been brought upon the Intercolonial Railway employees in the city of Halifax, and I would like him to take such steps as may be necessary to inform the employees of the Intercolonial in the county of Temiscouata or in any other county, whether in Quebec or anywhere else, that there is no authority for putting or attempting to put any pressure or coercion upon them, that every one of them is entitled to exercise his franchise according to his conscience and his opinion, and that in doing so be has no reason to arvprehend any unpleasant results to himself.

Topic:   SUPPLY-CALGARY TOWN SITE.
Subtopic:   FEDERAL INTERFERENCE IN PROVINCIAL ELECTIONS.
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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Hon. GEO. P. GRAHAM (Minister of Railways and Canals').

Of course, the information given to the House is vague. I

can assure my hon. friend that so far as the Department of Railways and Canals is concerned, there is no foundation whatever even for the thought that there is any intervention in the provincial election, from a federal source. This is the first I have heard of it. I do not know who is using the influence or upon whom it is. being used. The only suggestion that is ever made from the department in regard to any election is that the management want to inform the employees that they are at perfect liberty to vote for whomsoever they like and to take part in an election as voters and enjoy their citizenship as any other citizens.

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Subtopic:   FEDERAL INTERFERENCE IN PROVINCIAL ELECTIONS.
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June 4, 1908