June 2, 1908

CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

Does the hon. gentleman mean to say that Treadgold forfeited it ?

Topic:   SUPPLY-ADMINISTRATION OF THE YUKON.
Subtopic:   JOHN PRINGLE.
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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

Yes.

Topic:   SUPPLY-ADMINISTRATION OF THE YUKON.
Subtopic:   JOHN PRINGLE.
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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

This is the first time I ever knew he could do so. He might surrender it but the government alone could forfeit it.

Topic:   SUPPLY-ADMINISTRATION OF THE YUKON.
Subtopic:   JOHN PRINGLE.
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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

My hon. friend is a lawyer and I am not able to quibble with him on legal points. The fact is that Treadgold had that concession and he has not it now. The essential point of the statement of the Rev. Dr. Pringle was that Treadgold's ownership of that concession was an injury to the Yukon and I say Dr. Pringle was mistaken as the facts to-day prove. I say that the concession was of no value to Treadgold, that the Yukon is being developed to-day, not by the concession but by the investment of money made by the same Treadgold at another point and in another direction.

Topic:   SUPPLY-ADMINISTRATION OF THE YUKON.
Subtopic:   JOHN PRINGLE.
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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

If the concession were of no value to Treadgold so that the property could not be used, would not that of itself be an injury to the Yukon.

Topic:   SUPPLY-ADMINISTRATION OF THE YUKON.
Subtopic:   JOHN PRINGLE.
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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

Certainly not. If it was no good to Treadgold and no good to any body else what difference who owned it. If my hon. friend owned it to-day and if it could not be utilized by anybody, is the ownership of it hurting anybody. '

Topic:   SUPPLY-ADMINISTRATION OF THE YUKON.
Subtopic:   JOHN PRINGLE.
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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

Did it not tie up the property in the meantime ?

Topic:   SUPPLY-ADMINISTRATION OF THE YUKON.
Subtopic:   JOHN PRINGLE.
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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

Certainly, but so long as the property was of no value to anybody what difference did it make ? That is elementary and my hon. friend though a lawyer ought to know it.

Topic:   SUPPLY-ADMINISTRATION OF THE YUKON.
Subtopic:   JOHN PRINGLE.
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Mr. POSTER@

Was the property tested?

Topic:   SUPPLY-ADMINISTRATION OF THE YUKON.
Subtopic:   JOHN PRINGLE.
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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

Does the hon. gentleman know what property is in question ? It was not land, it was a water right. It was a question of investing money to bring that water into beneficial operation on the mining claims, and the engineering conditions were such that it could not be brought economically into beneficial operation on these claims.

Topic:   SUPPLY-ADMINISTRATION OF THE YUKON.
Subtopic:   JOHN PRINGLE.
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Mr. POSTER@

That is what remained to be tested.

Topic:   SUPPLY-ADMINISTRATION OF THE YUKON.
Subtopic:   JOHN PRINGLE.
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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

The evidence of that is that to-day Treadgold is bringing water

Topic:   SUPPLY-ADMINISTRATION OF THE YUKON.
Subtopic:   JOHN PRINGLE.
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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

from another source altogether at a total expenditure of some $10,000,000. I am not finding any fault with Dr. Pringle for the view he took. I am merely suggesting he was mistaken in that view ; that he was absolutely and entirely mistaken.

Topic:   SUPPLY-ADMINISTRATION OF THE YUKON.
Subtopic:   JOHN PRINGLE.
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Mr. POSTER@

As also was Treadgold.

Topic:   SUPPLY-ADMINISTRATION OF THE YUKON.
Subtopic:   JOHN PRINGLE.
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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

As also was Treadgold ; as anybody is liable to be mistaken in a gold mining country.

Topic:   SUPPLY-ADMINISTRATION OF THE YUKON.
Subtopic:   JOHN PRINGLE.
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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

They never know what is going to happen.

Topic:   SUPPLY-ADMINISTRATION OF THE YUKON.
Subtopic:   JOHN PRINGLE.
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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

They never know what is going to happen until they get the gold in their pockets. Giving Dr. Pringle credit for good intentions, I say that Dr. Pringle is liable to be mistaken ; and here is one very clear instance in which he was absolutely mistaken. If my hon. friend was aware of the conditions of that country he has not the same excuse for offering' this quotation from Dr. Pringle's letter to the House to-day as a condemnation of the government, as Dr. Pringle had in writing it, because the events have proven that Dr. Pringle was wrong although my hon. friend did not inform the House on that point.

Topic:   SUPPLY-ADMINISTRATION OF THE YUKON.
Subtopic:   JOHN PRINGLE.
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Mr. POSTER@

I had to give the whole document. My hon. friend would not have me read one part and omit another part.

Topic:   SUPPLY-ADMINISTRATION OF THE YUKON.
Subtopic:   JOHN PRINGLE.
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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

I am not finding fault with what my hon. friend said. He was making a partisan presentation of the case and he took advantage of this statement which Dr. Pringle made years ago before the knowledge had come, and he was using that statement to create the impression that that condition existed to-day. If he was aware of the facts

I do not say he was-he must have known that it did not exist and that Dr. Pringle was mistaken when he made that statement.

Topic:   SUPPLY-ADMINISTRATION OF THE YUKON.
Subtopic:   JOHN PRINGLE.
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Mr. POSTER@

I suppose my hon. friend does not want to be unfair to Dr. Pringle, and would not like it to go out that Dr. Pringle was mistaken in that statement. Dr. Pringle, as the minister agrees, was right in his statement of the facts at that time, but was not right in his appreciation of what might happen from them.

Topic:   SUPPLY-ADMINISTRATION OF THE YUKON.
Subtopic:   JOHN PRINGLE.
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June 2, 1908