June 1, 1908

CON

Herbert Brown Ames

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. AMES.

I quite agree with the minister in making a distinction between an involuntary infraction of the law through ignorance and a deliberate attempt year after year to defx-aud the customs. In the

first case, it would be in order for the minimum penalty to be imposed; but in the second case, I do not think the government are justified in compromising. It seems to me that it would be better to allow the matter to go to the courts and have such a penalty imposed as would deter others from doing the same thing.

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LIB

William Paterson (Minister of Customs)

Liberal

Mr. PATERSON.

If we thought there was a deliberate attempt to defraud the revenue, especially if it were repeated after a warning, we would not hesitate to take that course. But in many cases the goods have passed our appraisers and have been accepted by us, and the parties plead that fact. They say: Your officers saw the

goods; they opened and examined them; if the valuation was wrong, why didn't you tell us at the time? If commissions are dutiable, we did not know it; why didn't you tell us? Why did you let us go on year after year? and now your officers come and seize our goods and the man who seizes them gets part of the fine.' I wish I could throw the cases into court: but ten courts could not carry through all the cases and hear all the pros and cons.

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CON

Arthur Norreys Worthington

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WORTHINGTON.

Could the hon. minister give us any information regarding the importation of uniforms from England by officers of the militia force ? I understand that practically a prohibitive duty is put on uniforms, but that if a claim is made to the department the duty will be refunded. Has that been settled yet?

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LIB

William Paterson (Minister of Customs)

Liberal

Mr. PATERSON.

That rests wholly with the Minister of Militia. Whatever he does in the matter I have no objection to ; but if the goods come in, they have to pay the duty.

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CON

Arthur Norreys Worthington

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WORTHINGTON.

What is the duty on uniforms?

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LIB

William Paterson (Minister of Customs)

Liberal

Mr. PATERSON.

Thirty per cent for British since last year.

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Sir WILFRID LAURIE R.@

I,. BORDEN. I have had some representations on this subject from officers of the militia, who thought it was a little hard and unjust, when they spend a good deal of time and money in qualifying themselves to serve their country, to be obliged to pay a heavy duty on their uniforms. What was the object of the change in the law in that respect?

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LIB

William Paterson (Minister of Customs)

Liberal

Mr. PATERSON.

Up to last year all articles imported by every branch of the government came in free; but all along I have contended that the better plan was to let each department look after iself. I did not think it right that a department of the government should buy goods outside, where there was no duty against them, when the same goods could be got in this country. In other words, the clothing could be bought in England aud brought In free of duty Mr. AMES.

when it might be got from our own manufacturers. Uniforms' come in under that.

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CON

Arthur Norreys Worthington

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WORTHINGTON.

In what position would an officer be who had ordered his uniform before the passage of this rule ?

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LIB

William Paterson (Minister of Customs)

Liberal

Mr. PATERSON.

He will have to pay the duty and get it out of the Militia Department.

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CON

Arthur Norreys Worthington

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WORTHINGTON.

What form has the application to take? Has he to get a certificate from the Customs Department that the duty has been paid, and then make an application to the Department of Militia for a refund?

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LIB

William Paterson (Minister of Customs)

Liberal

Mr. PATERSON.

The Militia Department will either take an extra vote out of which to pay the duty on the uniform and give it back to the officer ; otherwise the officer will have to bear the expense himself.

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CON

Arthur Norreys Worthington

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WORTHINGTON.

In spite of this practically prohibitive duty, many officers are in the habit of buying uniforms in England and' paying excessive duties upon them, for the reason that they cannot get them here.

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LIB
CON

Arthur Norreys Worthington

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WORTHINGTON.

Can an officer get an artillery or hussar uniform here and have the lace and braid put on it as well as in England?

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LIB
CON

Arthur Norreys Worthington

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WORTHINGTON.

I very much doubt it.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

If an officer pays the duty on his uniform and gets it back from the Militia Department, how can there be any protection to the Canadian manufacturer ?

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LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

He cannot get it back.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

The Minister of Customs suggests that he does.

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June 1, 1908