June 1, 1908

CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

Not at all ; I never did. I absolutely deny the charge that the Minister of Militia and Defence bases upon these letters and that evidence, and I challenge the Minister of Militia and Defence to prove his statements to be true. He can take his own means, his own method and I state, as a member of this Hoffse, that the charge that he has made is an absolutely unfounded charge, and if that is his charge I think he ought to retract it.

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Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

Well, Mr. Speaker, I simply read'a statement made in this House over a year ago. I based the statement I made the day before yesterday on that. That statement, made by my hon. friend the Minister of Justice (Mr. Ayles-worth), has never been contradicted or disproved. That is all I have to say.

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George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

There is every difference between a statement and an inference. I

am dealing with the statements of the Minister of Militia and Defence. I brand them as absolutely untrue. He may draw any inference he likes, but I will not be bound by them. All I have to say is that they are not true and the minister as a member of this House is bound to take my statement and withdraw his statements.

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Some hon. MEMBERS

Yes ; hear, hear.

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George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

Then if he will not withdraw them I challenge him to prove them and I shall repeat that statement as long as he and I are members of this House.

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Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

I cannot see very well how I can withdraw a statement made by a member of this'government a year ago based upon the evidence which he gave at that time. I have simply quoted that statement and repeated it. I cannot withdraw a statement made by the Minister of Justice. It is impossible.

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George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

Nobody asks the minister to withdraw a statement made by the Minister of Justice. All I ask the minister to do was to withdraw his own statement which is absolutely unfounded.

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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

The statement is taken from your letter.

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USE OF THE GOVERNMENT STEAMER ' CHAMPLAIN.'

CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

I would like to refer again to the question as to the use which is being made of the government steamer ' Champlain.' On Tuesday I brought to the attention of the government the statement that the government steamer ' Champlain ' was being used by Mr. Taschereau, Minister of Public Works in the province of Quebec, candidate in Charlevoix, for political purposes. I stated to the House that I had been credibly informed that persons supposed to be Conservatives were turned off that steamer although they offered to pay their passage. The hon. Minister of Marine and Fisheries (Mr. Brodeur) stated in reply that the route of the steamer had been somewhat extended. He did not say for what purpose, or at whose instance, although my question involved that. I have now another telegram from Mr. Rodolphe Forget, a member of this House, bearing date the 27th day of May, which says that :

Steamer * Champlain ' refused ito call at St. Irene for me and Conservative friends this morning although scheduled for this place.

On looking at the report of the Department of Marine and Fisheries I observe that the place named is one of the points at which that steamer is supposed to call. I would like to ask the right hon. Prime Minister (Sir Wilfrid Laurier) whether the government has any information upon this and whether it is true or not that this steamer is being used as a political transport in the

interests of tbe Liberal party in the provincial election now going on in tbe province of Quebec ?

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Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

When my bon. friend (Mr. R. L. Borden) called this matter to the attention of the House the other day my hon. friend the Minister of Marine and Fisheries (Mr. Brodeur) was not in his seat. I wired at once to Mr. Beland, the agent of the Department of Marine and Fisheries, as to this matter and he sent me a telegram which, I think, was communicated to the House by my hon. friend the Minister of Marine and Fisheries. I also received this morning from Mr. Beland a letter on the same subject. If I had known that the matter would again be brought up I would have brought it to the attention of the House and read it. I shall do so on Monday. With regard to the later charge that the steamer ' Champlain ' did not call at St. Irene, although scheduled to do so, that is a new charge of which I have not heard, but as to which I will make inquiry. The steamer ' Champlain' is doing ferry work between River Ouelle and Murray Bay.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

And St. Irene.

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Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

St. Irene is one of the points. Of course, I cannot give any information to my hon. fripnd on this matter, but I shall inquire of Mr. Beland. Mr. Beland is stationed at Quebec and gets his information by wiring River Ouelle or Murray Bay.

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QUESTION OF PRIVILEGE-HON. MR.

PUGSLEY.

LIB

William Pugsley (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Hon. WM. PUGSLEY (Minister of Public Works).

Mr. Speaker, I desire to rise to a question of privilege also. In the discussion on the subject of cold storage, as I And the report on page 9575 of 1 Hansard,' Mr. Trueman was referred to and 1 see that the hon. member for South Simcoe (Mr. Lennox) is reported to have asked this question:

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Haughton Lennox

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LENNOX.

Is that the Trueman who figured after as Judge Trueman?

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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

I do not know whether this is the judge or the solicitor. Judge Trueman has since died.

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CON

John Waterhouse Daniel

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DANIEL.

This is the judge, and a member of the firm of Puesley & Trueman.

He was in the cold storage company.

My hon. friend who represents the city of St. John (Mr. Daniel) must know that Judge Trueman, who, in his lifetime was a practising barrister in St. John and afterwards became a judge, was a partner of mine some fifteen or twenty years ago ; that at least fifteen years ago he ceased to be my partner and afterwards practised upon his own account. So far from Judge Trueman being the gentleman referred to as ' Mr. Trueman ' that gentleman was Mr. Walter

H. Trueman, an entirely different person.

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June 1, 1908