May 19, 1908

LIB

Robert Franklin Sutherland (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER.

That language is hardly parliamentary.

Topic:   SUPPLY-SASKATCHEWAN VALLEY
Subtopic:   J. G. TURRIFF.
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LIB

Theodore Arthur Burrows

Liberal

Mr. BURROWS.

Mr. Fraser under oath, swore that he put in a tender in the name of John McBain and that he owned the limit.

Mr. FOSTER, Order.

Topic:   SUPPLY-SASKATCHEWAN VALLEY
Subtopic:   J. G. TURRIFF.
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LIB

Robert Franklin Sutherland (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER.

The expression ' falsehood ' is unparliamentary.

Topic:   SUPPLY-SASKATCHEWAN VALLEY
Subtopic:   J. G. TURRIFF.
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LIB

Theodore Arthur Burrows

Liberal

Mr. BURROWS.

I will withdraw the expression. but I say that the hon. gentleman's statement is not correct. Mr. Fraser swore under oath that he put in a tender in the name of John McBain and that he owned the timber limit. My hon. friend knows that and yet he makes the statement that I acquired this timber berth.

Topic:   SUPPLY-SASKATCHEWAN VALLEY
Subtopic:   J. G. TURRIFF.
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CON

Herbert Brown Ames

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. AMES.

You had No. 1048 and the two go together. Well, X will go on with my story.

Topic:   SUPPLY-SASKATCHEWAN VALLEY
Subtopic:   J. G. TURRIFF.
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LIB

Theodore Arthur Burrows

Liberal

Mr. BURROWS.

You make a statement that is not correct and we have sworn evidence by a man who went into the witness box and stated that he put a tender in for himself, that he owned the limit and that he afterwards sold it.

Topic:   SUPPLY-SASKATCHEWAN VALLEY
Subtopic:   J. G. TURRIFF.
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CON

Herbert Brown Ames

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. AMES.

If the hon. gentleman states that he has never had any interest directly or indirectly in berths 1048 and 1049 I will accept his statement. But, my statement that he retains an interest in 1048 remains.

Topic:   SUPPLY-SASKATCHEWAN VALLEY
Subtopic:   J. G. TURRIFF.
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LIB

Theodore Arthur Burrows

Liberal

Mr. BURROWS.

I will deal with No. 1048 afterwards.

Topic:   SUPPLY-SASKATCHEWAN VALLEY
Subtopic:   J. G. TURRIFF.
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CON
LIB

Theodore Arthur Burrows

Liberal

Mr. BURROWS.

Now will you take back your statement? You made a statement which is absolutely incorrect. Ton know it is incorrect because the printed evidence shows that Mr. Fraser put in a tender in the name of John McBain, who,

I understand, is his brother-in-law. Mr. Bristol asked him what he got for it and he said it was his own business. In view of that fact you should not malign me by such a statement.

Topic:   SUPPLY-SASKATCHEWAN VALLEY
Subtopic:   J. G. TURRIFF.
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CON

Edmund James Bristol

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BRISTOL.

May I ask you a question, Mr. Burrows? Do I understand you to say you never had an interest direct or indirect in No. 1049?

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Subtopic:   J. G. TURRIFF.
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LIB

Theodore Arthur Burrows

Liberal

Mr. BURROWS.

I had no interest whatever in the tender of Mr. McBain.

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Subtopic:   J. G. TURRIFF.
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CON

Edmund James Bristol

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BRISTOL.

I am not asking you that, I am asking had you any interest in 1049 at any time.

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Subtopic:   J. G. TURRIFF.
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LIB

Theodore Arthur Burrows

Liberal

Mr. BURROWS.

The only interest I had in it was that I afterwards acted as agent for Mr. Fraser and sold the limit for him. I never owned it myself and had no interest in it before or after the tender.

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Subtopic:   J. G. TURRIFF.
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CON

Edmund James Bristol

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BRISTOL.

I want to be absolutely fair. I see on the record that you paid the rental to the department on August 12. 1905. for this limit 1049 and you sent in your cheque for that.

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Subtopic:   J. G. TURRIFF.
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LIB

Theodore Arthur Burrows

Liberal

Mr. BURROWS.

That is quite correct, but I did not own the timber limit. Acting for Mr. Fraser I sold the limit to a party and at that time I paid the ground rent. I never was interested in the tender and Mr. Fraser swore so.

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Subtopic:   J. G. TURRIFF.
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CON

Edmund James Bristol

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BRISTOL.

You are quite right there, Mr. Fraser swore that.

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Subtopic:   J. G. TURRIFF.
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LIB

Theodore Arthur Burrows

Liberal

Mr. BURROWS.

My hon. friend (Mr. Ames) should now take back the statement. He has absolute sworn evidence that I was not interested and I say I was not. Will he take it back?

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Subtopic:   J. G. TURRIFF.
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CON

Herbert Brown Ames

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. AMES.

So far as No. 1049 is concerned, if the hon. gentleman says he never had any interest directly or indirectly in No. 1049, I accept his word, but so far as No. 1048 is concerned I am going to continue my remarks. Now, these two limits, first and second choice, this immense area was disposed of by this government for $6,000, or $12 per square mile, or 2 cents per acre. That limit has been cruised and I understand it contains over 1,000,000,000 feet of spruce. It was the largest proposition that was ever put up in the Canadian Northwest of a timber character, and yet it was put up with such evidence of haste that the competition for it was practically nil. You may search the records of the department for that year and the year before and you will find that the average bonus the department was receiving in these two . years was $150 per square mile throughout the whole department. And yet, they were prepared to let this immense area go, the timber reserve supply of Prince Albert, for the paltry sum of $12 per square mile. Now, as to No. 1048, although that limit stood in the name of the Big River Lumber Company it was a limit in which Mr. T. A. Burrows has shown a very great interest. Before it was explored, before it was even blocked out, Mr. T. A. Burrows sold his half interest in limit No. 1048 and whatever interest he may have had in No. 1049 for $80,000. What is more, he was paid in full in cash three instalments of $30,000, $25,000 and $25,000.

Topic:   SUPPLY-SASKATCHEWAN VALLEY
Subtopic:   J. G. TURRIFF.
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Some hon. MEMBERS

Speak now.

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Subtopic:   J. G. TURRIFF.
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May 19, 1908