May 11, 1908

PRIVILEGE-THE ROSS RIFLE.

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Samuel Hughes

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. SAM. HUGHES.

Might I ask was not that report of the War Office-the so-called report of the War Office-brought before the Public Accounts Committee nearly a year ago ?

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Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK RORDEN.

It was before that committee from the 15th of March, 1907. In a debate which took place in this House on January 14, 1907, I made the following statement:

In addition to that, the Ross rifle had been subjected ito the severest test by a committee of the War Office in England.

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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK RORDEN.

Recently, and the report is most satisfactory from the point of view of the military experts here. They found the same defects which had been discovered here, though not all of them, and all the defects which they discovered had been remedied before this report reached us.

I simply quote this to show that I had actually mentioned the fact that there was such a report, some weeks before the papers were laid on the table, thus showing no desire whatever on my part to cover up in any way this particular report.

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Arthur Norreys Worthington

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WORTHINGTON.

I would like to ask tlie hon. minister if it is his intention to give the impression to this House that the rifles pronounced upon by the Royal School of Musketry at Hythe were not submitted by the Militia Department or the Ross Rifle factory ? If not, has the hon. minister any means of explaining how any rifles came to be pronounced upon and if the report signed by Mr. Broderick, Lord Middleton, then Secretary of State for War, did not say that two Ross rifles had been examined by the officers of Musketry School at Hythe, in comparison with two Lee-En-field rifles, and that the result was marked inferiority of the Ross rifle

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Robert Franklin Sutherland (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER.

This matter has come up as a question of privilege and cannot be allowed to drift into a discussion. All the hon. gentleman is entitled to do is ask a question.

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Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

I shall be very happy to answer the question.

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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

One at a time. Perhaps better let me answer the first.

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Arthur Norreys Worthington

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WORTHINGTON.

It is about the same subject. Take the report from the Woolwich Arsenal, I would like to ask the minister if he considers that a favourable report. He said it was considered favourable by the military experts in this country. If it be a favourable report, I would like to ask who are the experts that pronounced upon it.

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Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

I read my statement which I made in the House last session and which speaks for itself. In that statement I said that the report was considered favourable, inasmuch as all the faults or defects mentioned in that report had been remedied before the report reached us. With regard to the alleged test in 1902, that is an entirely different tiling. The Woolwich test took place in 1906. I think the Hythe alleged test took place in 1902, and I have already said that no Ross rifles were sent by the government nor by Sir Charles Ross nor by anybody on his behalf to Hythe, much less to be tested at Hythe.

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ALLEGED IRREGULARITIES AT SOREL.

LIB

Louis-Philippe Brodeur (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Hon. L. P. BRODEUR (Minister of Marine and Fisheries).

I was asked to bring down the report of Mr. Gaudet giving the result of the investigation held by him into charges against Mr. Roy of the Board ot Works in the Department of Marine and Fisheries. I have that report here and I beg to move :

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That an order of the House. do issue for a copv of the report made by Mr. Victor Gau-det as a result of the investigation held by him into charges preferred against Mr. E. Roy of the Board of Works under the Depart merit of Marine and Fisheries, and of the evidence in connection therewith.

I will produce immediately the report. The evidence is rather bulky. I can get it copied and have it brought down as soon as possible.

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Motion agreed to.


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Louis-Philippe Brodeur (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. BRODEUR.

I beg to lay on the table the return to an order of the House of Commons for a copy of the report made by Mr. Victor Gaudet as a result of the investigation held by him into the charges preferred against Mr. E. Roy of the Board of Works in the Department of Marine and Fisheries.

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IMMIGRATION ACT AMENDMENT.


On the orders of the day being called:


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Haughton Lennox

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LENNOX.

Some time before Easter we had an amendment to the Immigration Act. It was then said that the matter was one of great urgency and that it was proposed to pass an order in council to regulate immigration into British Columbia. On the 30th of April the Minister said that a memorandum to council was being prepared and would be brought down to the House when passed. Has that order in council yet been passed, and if so, will it be brought down ?

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May 11, 1908