June 21, 1905

CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

Yesterday the Impression the right hon. gentleman gave was that these were the populations at the present time.

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Romuald-Charlemagne Laurier

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

What did I say to-day which is not according to that?

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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

I understood my hon. friend (Mr. M. S. McCarthy) to say that the figures which he read were the populations as given in the foot note sent over to the leader of the opposition.

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LIB

Romuald-Charlemagne Laurier

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

From the

census ? Is that any contradiction of what I say to-day?

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George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

Were the figures which the right hon. gentleman gave yesterday the actual population ? How does he lmow the actual population to-day, and what means were taken to get it ?

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Romuald-Charlemagne Laurier

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

I said my impression was that the figures were for tlie population at present. I cannot carry these things in my mind from day to day; 1 received the information some time ago from the Census Department, and I sent it to the hon. the leader of the opposition. Subsequently other figures were placed in Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

my hand, which I gave yesterday, and my impression is that these figures are the population to-day. As, however, these figures have been challenged, we have taken the precaution to have them verified in the Census Bureau, and as soon as the figures c-ome here I will give the exact information.

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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

So that after three months and some days, we may possibly now get at one of the most elementary sources of information necessary for discussing the basis of redistribution. Yesterday the Minister of the. Interior promised to bring down bis statement of populations from the Census Department. The populations he gave yesterday were, he said, prepared in the Census Department and signed and sent to him with a map, which be promised to bring down. Is that ready ?

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Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

I did not understand tlie question in that way, and I regret that I have not given that order, but I will give it.

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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

That is another sample of Ethelred the Unready. I quote from ' Hansard ' :

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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

A map was prepared showing the local constituencies and the census department was asked to take that map, compare it with the returns and give us the result, the number of people in each constituency.

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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

And the minister has that statement from the census department ?

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Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

Yes.

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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

Would the minister bring that down as one of the items ?

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LIB

Frank Oliver (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER.

I will bring it.

Of course, twenty-four hours is not long, but after three months and a half and nearing the end of the session, twenty-four hours might have been sufficient to get that statement into the hands of the minister.

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Romuald-Charlemagne Laurier

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

I think I understand my hon. friend (Mr. Foster) now. There is the map there on tlie table, and be apparently is not satisfied with the information which he received from the department, but wants to have the identical document signed by the census officer.

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LIB

Romuald-Charlemagne Laurier

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

Exactly; I understand what he means now.

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LIB

Romuald-Charlemagne Laurier

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

Oh, no; there is more than that; the hon. gentleman must not take refuge in that; he wants to compare whether or not the figures are correct.

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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

And there is no better reason for that than these tergiversations we have had an example of to-day and yesterday.

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June 21, 1905