June 15, 1905

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Angus Claude Macdonell

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. A. C. MACDONELL.

This matter was brought before the House last session and the facts were gone into very much as-they have been gone into to-day by Mr. Puttee, then member for Winnipeg, and by the late Mr. Clarke, member for West Toronto. On that occasion especially the minister seemed to have been actuated by a desire to find out if possible some connection between the officers In the government department in London and the Leopold people. Let me quote from the debate last year, page 7330 of ' Hansard ' :

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Edward Frederick Clarke

Mr. CLARKE.

Is the minister aware that the officers of his department send men up stairs to this man to hook their passages ?

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Clifford Sifton

Liberal

Mr. SIFTON.

I do not think that is the ease. If my hon. friend has any information to that effect, I would be very much indebted to him if he would send it to me, and I will promise, if he so desires, to regard the source from which it comes as confidential. The instructions which I have given have been most explicit,- and there can be no possible excuse for any officer of the department, either directly or indirectly, in any shape, form or manner, being connected with or encouraging the traffic these people are carrying on.

The matter seemed to have rested there on that occasion, and in the correspondence to which the hon. member for North Toronto (Mr. Foster) has referred we find statements bv two men, presumably first-class mechanics. One of them, Colin A. Gunn on the 16th May, said :

We went to the emigration office. They told me they could not guarantee work for machinists, but there was a man up stairs who would do so. That was Leopold.

Mr. Gunn is speaking of an interview he had at the government offices in London. He says he was instructed to go upstairs

and interview Mr. Leopold. Then there is the statement of Mr. William A. Moore, of the 15th May, 1905, in which he says :

We asked for Mr. Preston, the commissioner of emigration for Canada, but he was too busy to see us. However, one of his numerous staff plied us with questions, and when we stated our occupation, he said : Well, we do not cater for men of your particular craft, we are only interested in farming, but we have a gentleman up stairs who will give you all the information you require. He then called the office boy and told him to see if Mr. Leopold was in his office. We saw Leopold.

These are statements made by persons who saw Mr. Leopold and who came to this country as the result of their interview. In pursuance of the policy declared by the ex-Minister of the Interior (Mr. Sifton) it is only right the government should have an investigation into these matters.

Department of Labour-printing and stationery, including printing of ' Labour Gazette,' allowances to correspondents, administration of Conciliation Act, Railway Labour Disputes Act travelling-expenses, &c., and $500 each for an accountant and French translator, which sum may be paid notwithstanding anything in the Civil Service Aot, $29,900.

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Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Hon. H. R. EMMERSON (Minister of Railways and Canals).

This is required to meet the general expenses of the Department of Labour for the year 1905. It is less than it was m the previous year-$7,000 less.

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Mr EMJIERSON.

It covers the 'Labour Gazette and the Conciliation Act.

,,,BLAIN. What is the circulation of the Labour Gazette ' ?

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

What was it during the London election ? I understand there was an extra issue for that election. '

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Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

That does not prove there was an extra edition.

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Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

If there was, the deputy minister knows nothing about it.

out of which the government were endeavouring to make political capital. The object of the circulation was to influence the electors, although we were given to understand that the Labour Department is non-partisan.

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Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

There is nothing in the 1 Gazette ' that could improperly influence an elector. It gives simply a statement of facts, and no expression of opinion. No addition has been made whatever to its circulation but it may be that private parties secured copies and mailed them.

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Joseph Gédéon Horace Bergeron

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BERGERON.

Then what we pay for printing goes to the Bureau ?

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June 15, 1905