June 12, 1905

CON

Frederick Debartzch Monk

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MONK.

I refer, of course, to the work that has been given out.

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Subtopic:   BRIDGE OVER LACHINE CANAL-ATWATER STREET. MONTREAL.
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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

Then, I will have to ask my hon. friend to let it stand. It only came under my notice this morning, and I knew- that the superstructure had not been let at all. I will have to make some further inquiry.

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CON

Frederick Debartzch Monk

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MONK.

It refers to the work that has been or is being done.

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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

I presume my hon. friend refers to the substructure of the bridge ?

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Subtopic:   BRIDGE OVER LACHINE CANAL-ATWATER STREET. MONTREAL.
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CON

Frederick Debartzch Monk

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MONK.

Yes. ,

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ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.


Bill (No. 169) to amend the Act respecting the Royal Military College-Sir Frederick Borden-read a second time and House wrent into committee thereon. On section 1,


CON

David Tisdale

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TISDALE.

You do not seem to have fixed a maximum expenditure here as you promised.

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Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

At the conclusion of the debate on the resolution, 1 understood my hon. friend (Mr. Foster) to state that there was no particular point in filling in the amount, and I rather thought that idea was accepted.

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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

I did not say that, but 1 qualified it by saying it was my individual view. The resolution is wide enough to allow an amount to be fixed.

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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

Very well.

I move to amend the section by inserting after the word ' council,' the words ' but shall not exceed in all $30,000.'

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Samuel Hughes

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. SAM. HUGHES.

This clause limits the salary of the head of the Royal Military College to $3,200 per annum ; I suppose there are allowances also ?

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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

Yes, there is a house and a good many other things besides. The salary was increased to that amount in 1893.

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L-C

Samuel Hughes

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. SAM. HUGHES.

My opinion is that the educationists of this country both civil and military are not paid as they should be. I would be very much pleased if the resolution should read that the salary should be * not less than $3,200,' instead of, ' not more than $3,200.'

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CON

David Tisdale

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TISDALE.

Including the allowances the salary provided is a very comfortable one and it has enabled us to get a veiy efficient officer.

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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

I would move that the clause should read that : the salary of the commandant shall not exceed $3,200 a year ; the salaries of the staff adjutants and professors, instructors and assistant instructors and staff, shall uot exceed a total sum of $30,000 annually.

Section as amended agreed to.

Bill reported, read the third time, and passed.

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MILITIA ACT AMENDMENT-PERMANENT FORCE.


On tlie order being called : Second reading of Bill (No. 170) to amend the Militia Act.-Sir Frederick Borden.


CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. IOSTER.

Might I make a suggestion to tile minister before we proceed to consider this order. It will be prettv difficult to go into a full discussion of this Bill unless we have the correspondence that has passed between the imperial government and the Canadian government with reference to taking over the defences at Halifax and Esquimau, so that we may know what is the position of each government in connection therewith. As a layman I say this is important, because it seems to'bring out pretty sharply the line of demarcation between a standing army and the militia of the country ; at least it is showing a deeidediy strong tendency towards the establishment of a regular army-not very large, 5,000 men-but still it brings up the whole question as to how far this country should go in that direction and whether it is possible for us to provide sufficient money to have a respectable standing army and at the same time do full justice to our militia, the real arm of our defence. The cost of regulars as high and although you may have only 3,000 in addition to those you now have, the sum total that will be required for the maintenance of these

3,000 men will be pretty large. Then in the second place, if we take over these fortifications, if there is no other way but that we shall do that, we incur an unknown expense of large proportions at the least, which may become very large under circumstances that may occur, it is well for us, I think, to talk over this matter before we have committed ourselves, before the second reading of this Bill, and see whether or not there is not another and a better way by which the same object can be brought about of retaining these defences and retaining them in the only way in which they would be useful, that is as absolutely modern and up-to-date fortifications and defences, therefore, it seems to me to be necessary to have that correspondence, and be able to look over it before the House should be called upon to pledge itself to a policy which is proposed by the government of taking these stations over and of laying the foundation of a regular army. Another point on which I would like Information is as to the cost. I find that in this and that newspaper calculations are made as to what the cost will be. These estimates may be near the mark and they may be a long way from it; we have to rely upon what our department gives us, and I would like the minister to have his council, those with whom he consults, make very careful estimates as to what will be the added cost. As I understand it. we

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Subtopic:   MILITIA ACT AMENDMENT-PERMANENT FORCE.
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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir F. W. BORDEN.

have now about 1.200 men belonging to the permanent force.

S*ir FREDERICK BORDEN. Something over that.

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June 12, 1905