June 9, 1905

CON

David Henderson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HENDERSON.

How was the 5 per cent arrived at in the first instance?

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William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

The claim was that the rate was 5 per cent as in the case of the subsidy accounts. The word subsidy account, although it is used sometimes in our department, is not strictly correct. There are items which appear sometimes under the head of subsidy accounts whereas they 'are not subsidies. Strictly speaking the subsidy is only the 80 cents per head, but anv balance of capital remaining at the credit of the province shall earn 5 per cent under the British North America Act. Whether this is one of the balances which should earn 5 per cent under the British North America Act is a question to be determined.

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David Henderson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HENDERSON.

Of course the hon Minister of Finance is not quite correct when he says the 80 cents per head is the only subsidy. In 1884, the provinces were granted an additional subsidy.

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LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

Not in that form.

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CON

David Henderson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HENDERSON.

The province of Ontario was granted 8142.414.

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LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

Not as a subsidy.

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David Henderson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HENDERSON.

The Act of parliament says it is to be paid as subsidy.

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LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

It is a sum placed at their credit. It is as broad as it is long.

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CON

David Henderson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HENDERSON.

$142,414 certainly was the interest on a large sum which the Dominion of Canada admitted for the purposes of a settlement might be due to the province of Ontario, not actually owing, but in order to meet the demands for better terms at that time the Dominion of Canada generously admitted that such a liability actually existed, but never proposed to pay over the actual sum. They always held themselves liable only to pay over what was equivalent to 5 per cent interest, to use the term which my hon. friend is using in the Autonomy Bill in regard to Alberta-a sum equivalent to 5 per cent. Of course, it may ,be that the hon. gentleman's intention is to reduce that subsidy of $142,414. If he do.es it is going to materially affect the revenue of the province of Ontario and I do not know of any reason why it should be done. It was a matter that was settled in 1884, and we thought it was settled for all time to come. However, the item was passed, I believe, the other night, we allowed the government $20,000 to meet the expenses in connection with this arbitration, and I hope that before another year has passed we will see the end of it. .

Consolidation ot Dominion statutes, which may he paid, notwithstanding anything contained in the Civil Service Act or in the Act respecting the Department of Public Printing and Stationery, $20,000.

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CON

David Henderson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HENDERSON.

Who are the commissioners who are revising these statutes i They seem to be slow in their work.

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LIB

Charles Fitzpatrick (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. FITZPATRICK.

They have been appointed for about three years and they will carry out their work, notwithstanding that they have the statutes for the last sixteen years to consolidate, in half the time which was taken at the last revision in 1886.

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CON

Uriah Wilson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. URIAH WILSON.

What is the remuneration which will be paid? Give us the system.

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LIB

Charles Fitzpatrick (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. FITZPATRICK.

If my hon. friends want to get many details 1 will have to ask them to allow the matter to remain over, because, when my estimates were on,

I asked specially that that particular item should remain in order that I might make a complete statement to show the progress which had been made and also to be in a position to say when the revision will be completed. 1 will say, speaking from memory, that the revision will be completed within the next month or two with the exception of the Criminal Code and the index to the statutes. The Criminal Code is being done separately and has not progressed quite as rapidly as the other part of the work. The commissioners are the late chief justice of the Supreme Court, chairman of the board; my own deputy is the next commissioner; with him is associated Mr. Power, also of my own department, who has had large experience in these matters aud the registrar of the Supreme Court, in fact, I may say that I have taken as many officials as I could because I thought they were perhaps more competent to deal with these matters as they have had large experience in regard to the statutes. There are also engaged on this work Mr. Roscoe, of Nova Scotia; Mr. Sirois. of Quebec ; Mr. Robertson, of Collingwood and Mr. Cameron, of Goderich.

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LIB

Charles Fitzpatrick (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. FITZPATRICK.

Outside of my own department and the Supreme Court, I think there are four. I thought the House ought to be put in possession of the facts and that I would ask the Deputy Minister of Justice to make a complete statement to show first how far the work has progressed, the statutes that have been revised, the cost up to the present time and the estimated cost to complete the work.

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LIB

Charles Fitzpatrick (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. FITZPATRICK.

I will have it on Monday.

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Uriah Wilson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. URIAH WILSON.

Would it not lie well to have that statement go on 1 Hansard '?

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June 9, 1905