June 7, 1905

LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

Certainly.

Steam communication between a port or ports In Prince Edward Island and a port or ports in Great Britain, $7,000.

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Angus Alexander McLean

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. A. A. McLEAN.

When that matter was up before, the minister promised to give some information with regard to the trips made by one of these steamers.

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

This is the information which is furnished me by the minister.

The vote for 1903-4 for this service was $7,000, though a contract was in force with Messrs. Furness, Withy & Company, for $5,000. Of this, only $2,600 was expended. Two half trips were made in the fall of 1903, that is to say, in October, 1903, and November 28th. 1903. There was some disarrangement of the dates of sailing, owing to disaster to the ' Manchester Trader,' in the St. Lawrence. It was found that the * Manchester Trader' would be unable to take up her sailing, and no other steamer being available, Messrs. Furness, Withy & Company, were permitted to have the ' Manchester Ti ad-er ' call at Charlottetown on the Montreal service ; and it was agreed that the ' Manchester Trader ' thus calling at Charlottetown should only be entitled to claim for half a trip. When the second call had to he made, the repairs to the * Manchester Trader ' were not then completed, and the department permitted the ' Manchester Engineer ' to call on the voyage from Montreal, under the same conditions, that is to say, that the call at Charlottetown should be considered half a trip.

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CON

Alexander Martin

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ALEXANDER MARTIN.

I would like to say with regard to this item, that the service so far as it relates to Prince Edward Island is not very satisfactory. We have in our province two large articles of export, cheese and butter. At present, cheese sold for Great Britain has to go first to Montreal ; so with butter in many cases, eggs and ham and pork, they go to Montreal, where they have to be transhipped to Great Britain. Any one can see how the farmer in Prince Edward Island is handicapped in the price which he receives for these articles compared with prices received in other parts of Canada. The trips these boats make are very irregular, they call at no stated times. There is no definite time for them to sail. Sometimes they sail on the date agreed upon, and sometimes they do not. Farmers in the island are at a loss,

and shippers are at a loss, to know when to prepare their cargoes for these boats. At present people have first to ship their cheese up to Montreal and then tranship it to Great Britain, or else send it to Halifax, which involves a very large expense, three transhipments, and three short hauls over [DOT] railways at a very heavy railway rate, and thence to Great Britain. The apple trade with Great Britain in the fall of the year is handicapped in the same way. I would like if the government would insist upon these boats sailing at stated days in the season, which would be advertised three or four months ahead, so that the farmers and shippers would know beforehand what accommodation they were to receive, and when to bring their cargoes to the place of shipment. Sometimes when the ship does call, the shippers not knowing ahead when she would call, are not ready with their freight. But if these trips were made regularly and at stated times, the people would be relieved of a great deal of difficulty which they now suffer.

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Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

In view of the information which I have in my hands, I do not think the criticism of the hon. gentleman applies, because the contract stipulates absolutely at what times the trips are to be made. The terms are two complete round voyages, the first trip to be made in the month of October, and the second trip prior to the 15th of December. So the people of Prince Edward Island can know that in the month of October next this ship, ' The Manchester Trader ' will call at Charlottetown, and then some month or six weeks afterwards it will call again. So there is no necessity of giving any notice in advance when the ship will call, because it is stipulated in the contract, and the subsidy cannot be earned unless the ship calls at Charlottetown at those stated periods. Let my hon. friend tell the people of Prince Edward Island that the subvention cannot be earned unless this ship calls at Charlottetown at the times mentioned in the contract.

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CON

Alexander Martin

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. A. MARTIN.

All I know is what has happened there before and what may happen there again. Although the sailings of these vessels are advertised and are in the contract I know from my own experience in shipping in the province that very often when these days arrived the vessels were not there, and I remember some years ago when I was in this House, that in the spring of the year it was given out that the steamer was to call at the province and a great many farmers fattened their cattle for export to Great Britain, but when the time arrived, there was no boat, no boat called at the province to its great detriment. The same thing happened only a few years ago and I think that while two trips a year may be all right-I suppose that would supply the province with some little accommodation-I think a trip in the spring of the year if it could be arranged would be of great advantage to the farmers for a great many feed their stock during the winter and ship it in the spring, and at present they have to take the roundabout way of first shipping them to Halifax and re-shipping them from there afterwards. However, perhaps after this more regular trips may be made ; I am only speaking of what has happened before and what I hope may not happen again.

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIBR.

This subsidy for which we are now asking is for only two trips in October and December. No provision is made in these estimates for any more trips than that.

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CON

Alexander Martin

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. A. MARTIN.

How much is the con-, tract ?

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

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CON

Alexander Martin

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. A. MARTIN.

That would be only $5,000. 1

Sir'wiLFRID LAURIER. $5,000, yes.

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CON

Alexander Martin

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. A. MARTIN.

Then there is $2,000 more ? 1

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

Yes,-I am informed by the deputy that it is hoped the service can be improved and that perhaps one or more additional trips can be provided for but at present the contract is only $5,000 for two trips. We have not been able to get anything better but we hope we can get some company to earn the $7,000 we offer.

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CON

Alexander Martin

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. A. MARTIN.

That is the very complaint I am making, the very great uncertainty of the service. There may be three trips or there may be only two trips, that it creates the uncertainty which causes the uncertainty of freight also.

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

At the present time we have settled for only two trips under the arrangement, but we hope to perfect this arrangement and to provide for two or more additional trips. At present all we can be certain of is the two trips.

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CON

Alfred Alexander Lefurgey

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LEFURGEY.

My hon. friend from Queen's (Mr. A. Martin) was right in his statement that on several occasions there has been a great deal of uncertainty in the sailing of these boats. I have myself known occasions when the people have been at a loss to know when if at all they were going to have a boat. I would suggest now that' , the two trips are certain and definite and as the government has in view the getting of another steamer for a spring trip, the arrangement should be made at least some months ahead or the people would not be in a position to know whether they are to have the ! spring trips or not. I would like to ask how* i the trips are published, in what manner the 1 shippers become cognizant when the sail-

ings are to be made in October and possibly six months later.

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

I understand tltat a part of the terms of the contract is that there is to be an advertisement published 20 days in advance of the exact date at which the boat will be at Charlottetown.

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CON

Alfred Alexander Lefurgey

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LEFURGEY.

Is there any authority at Charlottetown to publish this to the shippers on the island ?

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LATJRIER.

The notification is sent to the newspapers by the agent of the company.

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CON

Angus Alexander McLean

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. A. A. McLEAN.

I would urge on the Prime Minister that the rates of freight charged by these steamers should be the . same as can be obtained at Montreal, St. John or Halifax.

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER.

That is part of the contract.

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June 7, 1905