June 6, 1905

LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

A $100 fee and about $200 for supplies-about $300 each. So that the actual expenditure of the country on the college is not more than $65,000 a year; and, after all, considering the work which that college has done, not only in Canada, hut in other colonies and in the empire, in the way of makiug Canada better known, I think we are paying a very small amount of money for the advantages received. My hon. friend has asked me what the salaries at the present moment are. The amount spent yast year was slightly over $26,000.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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CON

David Tisdale

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TISDALE.

What is the reason of this increase ?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

The increase in the number ' of pupils. Ten years ago

the number of graduates per annum was about niue ; now it is thirty-four. The number of applications to get into the college last year was over fifty, and only those applicants are admitted who get the most marks. There is therefore now competition for admission. Those who get the highest marks come first. The capacity of the college is about 100, and each year there are about thirty-four vacancies.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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CON

David Tisdale

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TISDALE.

Do you keep the number up to the maximum ?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

Yes, we have to turn away a large* number of applicants. Last year forty-*six passed the examination, and we only had thirty-four placets. There are ninety-five in the college now.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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CON

Uriah Wilson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. URIAH WILSON.

Why should there be an increase in the cost of running when there is no increase in the capacity ?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

We have double the number of students now that we had ten years ago, and are being asked to provide assistant teachers. We have added two or three assistants to the college, who are absolutely necessary.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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CON

Uriah Wilson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. URIAH WILSON.

Are the classes so large that you require to have two professors now where one sufficed before ?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

About nine years ago, when I took office, the college was very much run down, and the number of students was a little more than half what it is to-day. Then the duration of tuition was four years instead of three as it is now. I do not say that there is the same amount of work done in three years that there was in four, but the' military training, which was formerly spread over four years, is now limited to three.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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CON

Uriah Wilson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. URIAH WILSON.

How many additional professors have you ?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

Three.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

How many altogether ?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

The Commandant is Lieutenant-Colonel Reade, imperial officer. Mr. E. V. O. Hewett, imperial officer, is professor of strategy, tactics and staff duties. Mr. H. A. Panet, graduate of Royal Military College, was adjutant, and has been replaced by another graduate of the Royal Military College.

ME FOSTER. What does he teach ?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

You have four hundred graduates and have employed at the most twenty-two for military purposes iu this country. The others have gone into civil life ?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

We have a very much larger number- than that in the active militia and we have trebled the number employed in the different departments at Ottawa.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

For the exclusively technical work for which this college was designed, you have out of 400 graduates made use of twenty-two ? You have some others doing clerk work in the department, which is very good if they are good clerks, and if not, they are not made any better because they happen to have gone through the military college.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

They are doing clerical work In the departments.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BOOSTER.

That would be a proper use for graduates of the military college, but no doubt it is work which any well educated clerk could do, because it is routine work more than anything else. The thought that comes to one is this : Out of 400 graduates of this institution, you have between 22 and 40 who are engaged in more or less technical military work in Canada. The institution at present will turn out 34 graduates a year. Now, does not the minister think he has space enough and machinery enough in that establishment to turn out all the military graduates that can be employed in military work, technical and genera], in this country and still leave a sufficient surplus as our contribu-

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tion to the military force of the empire ? What is the purpose of turning out twice as many, or three times as many, if, after their graduation they are simply to be absorbed into the ordinary work of the world? For such work they would be as well trained by other institutions. I think it is an excellent thing that some of those who go through our military college take up the military profession in other parts of the empire and do work in that way for the empire. I do not think Canada loses by that ; I think she gains. If war came to Canada, this is the class of men who would come back here, and useful men they would be, too. But, turning out 34 well equipped, thoroughly instructed men every year, it seems to me you are educating all that are needed for our own service and providing all the surplus that is necessary. So, if there is an idea that because there are more applicants you must enlarge your classes and enlarge your college, I think that you can very well think over the contrary proposition which I submit and with saving of expense. Why not turn attention to making the 34 graduates that you turn out more efficient, more thorough, if they need more thoroughness, and, instead of increasing quantity improve in quality ? And there is another point. Here you have a professor of surveying ;-that is military surveying, of course. That is a little different from civil surveying-it is somewhat technical. You have a professor of mathematics. Now, mathematics is mathematics whether it is taught in a military establishment or any other, and however it may be applied.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

But, if my hon. friend will allow me, it is absolutely necessary for instruction in artillery and engineering.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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June 6, 1905