June 6, 1905

CON

John Waterhouse Daniel

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DANIEL.

In the Act just read is it provided that they shall he in the militia report?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

The salaries shall appear iu the annual report laid before parliament toy the Minister of Militia and Defence.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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CON

David Tisdale

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TISDALE.

What is the present amount?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

We are spending more than $26,000 now.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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CON

David Tisdale

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TISDALE.

Do I understand that under this amendment, by Order in Council you can change the salary and the amounts without first getting the consent of parliament?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

We can do that now up to $26,000. We are not increasing the salaries, but we may want Sir F, W. BORDEN.

more professors. At the present moment we are unable to go beyond $26,000 in providing for the teaching staff of the college. We have reached that limit, we are beyond it now, and it was thought wise to remove that restriction, seeing that the whole matter is absolutely within the control of parliament.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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CON

Joseph Gédéon Horace Bergeron

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BERGERON.

But do yon mention a limit in the new Act?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

No.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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CON

Joseph Gédéon Horace Bergeron

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BERGERON.

My hon. friend might be able to fix a limit by calculating how much money he will require, and say that the total shall not exceed the sum fixed.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

There is no objection to that, but I think it would be wiser to remove the restriction, because in the course of a few years the college may grow, I think it will. The number of students that can now be accommodated is only 100, and I should think that before many years the capacity of the college will need to he extended to accommodate 200.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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CON

David Tisdale

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TISDALE.

What was the object of fixing a limit in the first place?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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CON

David Tisdale

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TISDALE.

I do not remember having read the discussion that took place when the limit was fixed. But I can imagine that it was pointed out that, so1 long as we know that the expense for1 these professors cannot exceed a certain sum unless a statute providing for that excess is passed, it is a guarantee that there will be opportunity for careful discussion before increase is made ; whereas, if it is left unlimited, additions may be made imperceptibly and -without airy opportunity for1 discussion. If the minister would fix a sum beyond which he would not go. I should think that would be sufficient. I was glad to hear him -say that he had no objection to that limitation. Even when, in the1 fullness of time, it becomes necessary to make an' increase, it 'would probably be well to limit that increase add so continue the safeguard that we now have. I think this would be in the interest of the college itself, because it would be an assurance to the public that there is no danger of drifting into undue expenditure. It would he p protection to the minister also, because there are always plenty of people anxious to serve the country at a sufficient salary,

and, if there is no limit the minister will be under constant pressure to increase the expenditure.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

As I said 1 have no objection to following- the suggestion of my hon. friend (Mr. Tisdale). In looking over thd history of the present Jaw, I find that in the Royal Military Act as first passed there was no restriction of this kind, but there was a restriction as to the salaries of the professors. The Act provided :

The salary of the commandant shall be not more than $3,000. And the salaries of the professors shall be not more than $2,000 each.

That law, which was passed in 1875 or 1876 was re-enacted when the statutes were revised in 1880. But in 1893 the law was changed and the maximum for the commandant was fixed at>

$3,200, instead of $3,000, the restriction as to the other professors was removed, and a limit of $26,000 was fixed to the total expenditure on this account. I think the amount that we shall require at this moment will be about $30,000, and I am willing that it should be fixed at that. Or perhaps, while we are about it, it might be better to make it a little more-say $35,000. Would there be any i bj i'ct'on to that

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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CON

David Tisdale

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TISDALE.

The hon. minister knows best what lid intends to do.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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CON

John Waterhouse Daniel

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DANIEL.

Last year the salaries of the superior staff cost $30,248.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BOUDEN.

Then, $30,000 would not be enough.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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CON

Joseph Gédéon Horace Bergeron

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BERGERON.

Why not make it $35,000 and leave it at that for a while ?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

If $35,000 would be acceptable I will move td amend the resolution in that way.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

It seems to me that we are proceeding without knowing anything at all. The minister tells us that he was limited to $26,000 under the law ; the next moment he admits that he has spent $30,-

000. How can that be ?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS-INTERIM SUPPLY BILL.
Subtopic:   ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE-SALARIES.
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June 6, 1905