June 6, 1905

CON

George William Fowler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOWLER.

I am glad to hear that the government made a contract with Sir Charles Ross to manufacture another rifle to replace rifle number 1, which was defective.

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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

That is scarcely a fair inference. The original rifle compared very favourably with the imperial service rifle, but since then changes have been made and we have a rifle which cannot be excelled.

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CON

George William Fowler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOWLER.

What did you do with the rifles already made?

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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

A thousand rifles were issued to the Mounted Police and 500 to the Marine and Fisheries Department, but none had been issued to the militia. The chief change is in the back sight so there is very little difficulty in placing the new sight upon the mark I rifle. I have a telegram saying that after the 1st July, rifles will be issued at the rate of from 100 to 150 a day.

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CON

George William Fowler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOWLER.

I have seen some criticisms of that rifle.

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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

There were very severe criticisms of the first rifle and those criticisms I submitted to Colonel Cotton. Colonel Cotton went himself to Quebec to institute a most searching investigation, and he says that in every case the criticism was not fair, and rifle mark two is free from all the defects mentioned in that criticism.

To promote dairying interests by advances for milk and cream, to be recouped out of the proceeds of sales of such butter and cheese, to be placed to the credit of the consolidated revenue fund, $40,000.

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Hon. SYDNEY FISHER (Minister of Agriculture).

This stood over at the request of the hon. member for St. John who wanted an explanation of the method of dealing with those advances by the Agriculture Department. On looking up the item, I find that the amount of $1,000 in the public account has nothing to do with this vote. That is a special sum sent to my department by the Orange River Colony government to pay for some live stock purchased in Canada to be sent to South Africa. The item happened to be, at the end of the fiscal year, in the hands of the government, and thus appeared in the public accounts. With regard to the $10,000 all tills money is available on a special credit given by the Auditor General. The account is kept quite distinct from the ordinary business of the branch.

When revenue from the sale of butter is received, it is deposited to the credit of the vote of $40,000. For every dollar which is paid out of this vote, an equal sum must be, and is, returned to it. The amount may be expended two or three times over in the season. There is a statement in regard to this in the Auditor General's Report, page H-101 governing credit and debit account. It will be seen here that although the vote was only $40,000, the expenditure was $126,062,43-that is, the amount was paid out nearly three times over. The revenue was $156,320.76. This apparently extraordinary condition is due to the fact that a large amount had been paid in on account of sales of butter. The account runs for the season and not for the fiscal year, and the balance as on 1st July appears in the Auditor General's Report." But that balance will be entirely misleading as regards the season, because it appears right in the middle of the season for which the money is used by the department. But, of course, the statement of the account has to close at the end of the fiscal year. The revenue credited to this account does not appear in the public accounts, because the money is never actually expended, and the vote itself is not shown as an expenditure against the Agricultural Department in the public accounts. Page 33 of part 3, Public Accounts ending 30th June, 1004, shows the total expenditure for the Commissioner's Branch, Agriculture and Dairying, to be $219,993.70. This is the expenditure of the vote of $220,-

000. There is no item in the public accounts reports as to this $40,000 vote.

I believe this is a full explanation of what my hon. friend (Mr. Daniel) desired, and therefore I would ask the committee to pass the appropriation.

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CON

John Waterhouse Daniel

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DANIEL.

My attention was called to the statement in the Auditor General's Report and I have looked it over. The balance to the debit of the account amounts to $10.63 which has been placed to the credit of the department. But I notice a rather peculiar thing with regard to it, and that is that this is not a statement for one year or one season, but includes the summer season of 1902, the winter season of 1902-3, the summer season of 1903, the winter season of 1903-4 and the summer season of 1904. The revenue for the winter season of 1903-4 and the summer season of 1904 was $23,610 and the expenditure $20,420. And that would make a difference of $3,190 for one year.

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

The items of 1902 and

1902-3 appear because some of the payments for butter which had been sold in those seasons was not received until after July 1st, 1903. This is the explanation given me by the accountant.

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

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John Waterhouse Daniel

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DANIEL.

Another reason for the increased revenue is that in the summer season of 1902 there appears a revenue from Innisfail of $1,167, and no expenditure.

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

- That is a case such as I explained-the receipt of money for butter sold in 1902, the money coming in after the end of that fiscal year.

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CON

George William Fowler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOWLER.

What is this money used for ?

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

This is placed at the disposal of the department to make advances to the patrons of the creameries we run in the Northwest. The whole matter was explained last night, but I had not a full explanation in answer to the question of the hon. member for St. John (Mr. Daniel).

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CON

George William Fowler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOWLER.

Does the minister propose to continue this work after the establishment of the new provinces ?

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

I think we will close up the work there within the next year or two.

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CON

George William Fowler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOWLER.

And hand it over to the new provinces as was done in the case of the eastern provinces ?

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

Yes, as soon as they are able to take it over.

Some resolutions reported.

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ADJOURNMENT-THERMOGRAPH RECORDS.


Sir WILFRID LAURIER moved the adjournment of the House.


June 6, 1905