June 6, 1905

CON

John Waterhouse Daniel

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DANIEL.

I see that the $75,000 purchase 3,000,000 rounds of ammunition, making the charge 2i cents a round. How does that price compare with the price of ammunition of the same kind he has been in the habit of purchasing? Does the country make anything out of this manufacture, or is the price the same, or more, or less?

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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

The only way in which we could arrive at correct information in regard to that wouid be by comparing tbe cost writb tbe price in England; because it would not be fair to compare this ammunition with ammunition made by tbe trade in Canada. This is a very different article. It is a special article made up to a certain strength, Very carefully prepared, with the greatest possible precaution. I am told that the cost is less than tbe English price, or certainly not more, and much less than tbe cost in tbe United States.

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George William Fowler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOWLER.

I think it was stated last session by tbe minister that be was going to have another of these cartridge factories established. Does he propose to provide for that in tbe estimates?

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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

What I said last year was that I thought the time had arrived for the establishment of another cartridge factory, but I would favour the idea of its being constructed by the trade. I said that there were people in England who had been making inquiries, and that I felt disposed to consider a pro-

posal which I expected to get from them, provided tliev would agree to manufacture in Canada all the explosives which we would require for our own factory, and which they would use in their own. Negotiations have been proceeding, but they have not materialized very much. I hope that- within six months the matter will have reached a business point.

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CON

George William Fowler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOWLER.

The idea is that they may come here and establish it?

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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

Yes. at or near Ottawa.

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CON

John Waterhouse Daniel

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DANIEL.

I see that the total amount expended on this factory is nearly |225,000. How much ammunition does the minister get?

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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

About nine million rounds. There will be a further vote of $05,000 in the supplementaries for next year. Nine years ago the amount manufactured was 1,500.000 rounds.

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CON

George William Fowler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOWLER.

At how much increased .expense?

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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

The cost is $25 a thousand rounds and it used to be $30. Working extra hours, the capacity to-day is easily twenty million rounds. We can actually manufacture twenty million rounds, but without any difficulty nine million rounds, working hours nine a day.

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CON

George William Fowler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOWLER.

Are these sent to the stores in the different districts?

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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

Yes.

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CON

George William Fowler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOWLER.

Do you keep a reserve supply in the different districts all tin* time?

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Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

The largest reserve is in Quebec. It is not desirable to say too much about this, but I can assure iny hon. friend we are looking after that matter, and there is a proper reserve at every point where it is likely to be required.

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Mr FOWLER.

At the time the scare was on about the Welland canal, there were no cartridges within fifty miles of the spot.

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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

That was the old Snider-Enfield cartridge. I do not think that, will occur again.

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CON

John Waterhouse Daniel

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DANIEL.

Is this the Lee-Eufield ammunition?

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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

Yes, the new Ross rifles take the same cartridge, number 303.

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CON

George William Fowler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOWLER.

I understand that rifle is defective.

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LIB

Frederick William Borden (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Liberal

Sir FREDERICK BORDEN.

Experts who have examined the rifle, mark II, which is

an improvement on the first, say it is one of the best, if not the best, in the world. M e have added to mark II many improvements which have been the result of experience.

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June 6, 1905