May 26, 1905

CON

Joseph Gédéon Horace Bergeron

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BERGERON.

When he was deputy inspector his salary was $1,500, I suppose ?

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William Mulock (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Sir WILLIAM MULOCK.

No matter what his salary was in some other office, if he is taken from that and put into another office, the vote made for the first office ceases. This is a vote to the office, not to the man. In his new appointment he is given $2,000 a year.

I wanted to lay upon the table some papers I promised to the bon. member for West Algoma (Mr. Boyce). I told him I would do so, and I will do so now. But I am afraid I cannot do so, according to the rules of the House, until Mr. Speaker takes the chair.

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Joseph Gédéon Horace Bergeron

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BERGERON.

They might be laid on the table by any member of the government when the House rises.

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William Mulock (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Sir WILLIAM MULOCK.

I will do it then.

Fisheries protection service-further amount required to provide new boilers and repairs to the hull of fishery protection cruiser ' Petrel,' $17,000.

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Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

The ' Petrel ' was taken away from the service of the lakes and was replaced by the ' Vigilant.' The ' Petrel ' was too slow a boat, because the American poachers got away from her, and she could not do the service that was necessary. We have sent her to New Brunswick where there was need of a boat for the service of the department. Before sending her down we had her inspected, and it was discovered that her hull was in bad condition, and that new boilers were required.

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LIB

Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

At Poison's in Toronto, after tenders were asked. She has gone to New Brunswick now.

To pay honorarium to R. N. Venning, chief clerk of the fisheries, for special services in connection with the Russian seizures, as per Order in Council, December 28, 1904, notwithstanding anything in the Civil Service Act, $500.

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LIB

Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

Mr. Venning is an old employee of the department, who has been sent out as a special officer in connection with investigations of this character. He was in Paris when the Behring Sea investigation took place and when these commissions have taken place during the last twenty years Mr. Venning has been sent out from the department. He is a very .competent officer and we generaly allow him a certain amount.

Further amount required for salaries and disbursements of fishery inspectors, overseers and guardians, $20,000.

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William James Roche

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. W. J. ROCHE.

I would like to ask the lion. Minister of Marine and Fisheries if the government have given a license to any party or parties to fish in Moose Lake, or if any application has been received by the department for the exclusive privilege.

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LIB

Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

I think there has been an application received for fishing rights in Moose Lake but it has not been entertained.

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William James Roche

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. W. J. ROCHE.

In other words the department do not mean to grant the application ?

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CON

William James Roche

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. W. J. ROCHE.

The reason I ask that is that I am informed that an application has been made and that the parties have stated that they are going to receive the exclusive privilege. I am glad to hear such a license is not to be granted. I might ask the hon. minister if he is in receipt of any protest from parties in regard to the closing of Lake Manitoba ?

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Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

Yes, I liave received quite a number of protests against the closing of Lake Manitoba but after going into the question thoroughly I have considered that I acted rightly and in accordance with the wishes of the people in deciding that this lake should be closed to summer fishing for a few seasons.

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William James Roche

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. W. J. ROCHE.

What they complain of particularly is that there was no notice given to the smaller fishermen in advance. And that they have therefore suffered a hardship.

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Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

I do not think they could plead ignorance. The matter was before the department for quite a while. As far back as last fall there was an agitation to close the lake for summer fishing. There were petitions in favour of it and counter petitions. Of course, we did not know what position we would take, and it was not until January that I had an opportunity of taking up the question of considering it and deciding it on its merits. At that time, of course, we all supposed that the people round there would know about it. The only serious complaint we received was from a gentleman named Macauley, I think. X do not remember the name now. He complained that he had filled his ice house and was prepared to go on with fishing in the spring. We looked into that case, but we did not consider that the gentleman was Justified in doing what lie had done. He only had a one-year's license, because these licenses were issued every year, and a man with only a license for one year is scarcely justified in going to a large expense without inquiring whether the lake is going to be kept open or closed.

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William James Roche

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. W. J. ROOHE.

I understand that there were some protests received from citizens of Portage la Prairie. When I visited the province of Manitoba two or three weeks ago I heard that citizens of Portage la Prairie had sent in strong protests to the minister against the closing of the lake. It appears that there is a short line of railway from Portage la Prairie to this lake which is largely used for excursion purposes and as a resort for the people of Portage la Prairie ; they intend deepening the harbour there, and I think the government were about to grant, if it is not already granted, a sum for dredging to be done for that purpose. They claim that if fishing is done away with it will practically render the harbour useless to them and will result very detrimentally to the citizens there as well as to this railway. That is the principal reason advanced, but besides that a great many people take issue with those who claim that it is necessary for the protection of the fish to have a close season. As to that point I am not in a position to judge. But many people who live in Portage la Prairie claim that there is no likelihood of the lake being Mr. W. J. ROCHE.

depleted of fish by keeping it open at the present time.

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Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

I wTent thoroughly into the question. I do not say that I am an expert, but from the officials I gather that there was only one salvation for the lake and it was to close it to summer fishing for two or three years. The lake is being depleted very fast. If these gentlemen that my hon. friend mentions have gone into an enterprise which depends on this class of fishing in that lake during the summer we could not render them a better service than by closing it for two or three summers so as to put the lake in the fcondition it was in former years. It is in a very bad condition at the present time.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

Why is it necessary to have this additional sum placed in the supplementary estimates ? Why was it not placed in the original estimates ?

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May 26, 1905