May 22, 1905

CON

Herbert Brown Ames

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. AMES.

There was an item in one of the newspapers-I thought that I could put my hand upon it, but as I cannot do so 1 will have to trust to my memory in quoting -which appeared within the last day or two intimating that Mr. Low had refused to go to the north because the department would not give him the ' Neptune.'

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LIB

Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

The hon. gentleman refers to something which appeared within the last few days ?

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CON
LIB

Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

There was a misapprehension. The papers were mis-informed. We do not intend to send anybody this year to do the work which we suppose the ' Arctjc ' will do. The ' Arctic ' will have two seasons yet to patrol Hudson bay, this season and next year so that we thought there was no reason to send out the ' Neptune ' this year to go over the same ground the ' Arctic ' will go over. We will satisfy ourselves with sending simply an ordinary freight boat which we will hire, to carry the men that we are going to send to the ' Arctic ' and the necessary supplies of coal, &c. That is what created the impression that Mr. Low has refused to go except in the ' Neptune.' We do not ask Mr. Low to go with any other boat, but we are not sending the * Neptune ' so that Mr. Low cannot go. We have the steamship ' Arctic ' there already and so there is no necessity to send another similar boat.

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Herbert Brown Ames

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. AMES.

Is there any truth in the statement that Mr. Low considered it was not safe to take his crew in the boat the department wanted to give him ?

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LIB

Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

Mr. Low is not asked to take any crew, because the ' Neptune ' has her own crew, and she is a rather expensive boat. As there was no necessity for exploring the same waters the ' Arctic ' is going to explore next season and the season following, we thought it would be a saving to send a freight boat with its own captain and its own crew. In that way Mr. Low will not go.

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George Taylor (Chief Opposition Whip; Whip of the Conservative Party (1867-1942))

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TAYLOR.

What boat are you getting ?

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Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

We have not decided ; we are asking for prices.

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CON

Herbert Brown Ames

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. AMES.

Is it true that the department, on the advice of the hon. member for

Halifax (Mr. Roche), has decided to charter the ' Havana ' ?

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Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

There is no such decision.* We have asked Captain Patterson his charter price for the ' Havana ' for freight purposes, and he made a proposition which is not satisfactory. He wanted to charter the boat at so much a day, and we wanted to rent her for the round trip. We have not closed yet with Captain Patterson.

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George Taylor (Chief Opposition Whip; Whip of the Conservative Party (1867-1942))

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TAYLOR.

Is he the only gentleman you inquired from ?

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Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

We have inquired everywhere in Canada.

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

Do we understand that the ' Havana ' is the only boat asked to give a price ?

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Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

No ; we have been inquiring for two months for prices in order to send a boat up there. We want a boat to carry supplies to meet the ' Arctic ' and come back. It is not for an expedition, and we consider that the ' Neptune ' is too expensive for that work. We may be obliged yet to take the ' Neptune ' if we cannot get any other in Canada, but any way there is nothing decided.

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

Then it is purely a departmental affair, and it is not within the power of any members of the administration as a piece of patronage ?

Mr. PRE-FONTAINE. Not a bit of it. We try to get a Canadian vessel.

To pay an honorarium to Mr. A. P. Low for his services as commander of the expedition to the north and northwest coasts of Canada, $1,000.

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Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

What is Mr. Low's

that a vacancy has occurred in the representation of the electoral district of the city of London, Ontario, by reason of the acceptance of an office of emolument under the Crown by Charles S. Hyman, to wit, the office of Minister of Public Works. I have accordingly issued my warrant to the Clerk of the Crown in Chancery to make out a new writ of election for the said electoral district.

Mr. FIELDING moved the adjournment of the House.

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Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

What business will be taken up at the next sitting ?

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William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING.

We will proceed in Committee of -Supply with the estimates of the Minister of Militia, and later we will resume the estimates of the Minister of Marine and Fisheries.

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Motion agreed to, and House adjourned at 10.55 p.m.



Thursday, May 25, 1905.


May 22, 1905