April 17, 1905

LIB
CON

Samuel Barker

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BARKER.

I am told that the Bill respecting the Grand Trunk Pacific Railway has never been printed.

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LIB

Charles Smith Hyman (Minister Without Portfolio)

Liberal

Mr. HYMAN.

I think that has been on the order paper for a considerable time.

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CON

Samuel Barker

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BARKER.

That may be, but it has never been printed.

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

This abuse is growing worse all the time. It was bad enough last session, but it is worse this session. I think that before allowing a Bill to go to a second reading the House should be sure that it is printed. Bill 115 is not on the tile. It ought to have been on the file a month ago.

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CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

I noticed this session a minister of the Crown introduce a Bill in blank, a doubled-up piece of paper. That is against the rules of the House. Therefore, I do not wonder at Bills which have not been printed getting through their second reading. This is just an extension of the pernicious practice that has been going on increasingly from year to year, and I think that the sooner we put a stop to it the better.

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LIB

Charles Marcil (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER.

I may inform the House that the four Bills on the order paper are marked as being printed in English and French.

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CON

Samuel Barker

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BARKER.

The hon. gentleman tells us that Bill No. 139 has been distributed today. Is that right ? I may say that I know of a practice that prevailed in the State of Michigan for a number of years. A gentleman introduced a Bill with the name of a company on it, and nothing more. Afterwards they would put anything in that Bill they pleased. It might be a Bill to incorporate a railway company, while later on provisions were introduced for the incorporation of a bank or anything else, and then they would move to change the name of the company. We are apparently getting near that stage.

Mr. GADLII-IER. Surely these objections cannot apply to Bill No. 139, which has been printed and distributed.

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LIB

Charles Marcil (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER.

Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion 7

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CON

David Henderson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HENDERSON.

No, Mr. Speaker, we want something like respectful treatment. Even if the Bill was distributed today, that is not sufficient notice to members who desire to consider it. It is all very well for a man who does not wish to take the trouble of looking into the legislation of the House. No doubt this is an important amendment to a very important Bill. I know nothing of the Bill. I confess that I have not seen it, and I think that a Bill of this kind should never come up for a second reading until it has been printed and distributed some days so as to allow hon. members an opportunity of studying it and ascertaining whether it is proper legislation or not. We are taking far too much for. granted. The Bill may have been printed perhaps an hour ago, but we ought to have some time to look into it. This undue haste is altogether uncalled for. Here we are possibly three months from the end of the session ; and as the Senate has adjourned until the month of May, no progress can be made with the Bill after it leaves this House until some time in that month. It will be just as well therefore to allow it to stand over and give hon. members an opportunity to read and study it. We have an instance of a Bill to amend the Grand Trunk Pacific Railway which has been on the notice paper standing for the consideration of the Railway Committee from day to day and from week to week and we have never yet seen the Bill. We do not know whether it has been drafted. It may have been introduced as a blank piece of paper like a certain Bill introduced by one of the ministers a short time ago, and for all we know it may have no existence. We ought to see a Bill before we endorse its' principle. The simple fact that it is printed is not sufficient reason for our endorsing it. It ought to be printed sufficiently long to enable us to read it over once. I do not like to oppose the hon. gentleman's Bill, but we must stand by some rule which will protect the House, and I would advise him to leave it standing until Wednesday when no doubt it will get its second reading without a word.

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LIB

William Alfred Galliher

Liberal

Mr. GALLIHER.

I am going to accept my hon. friend's suggestion. There is nothing whatever in the Bill that calls for haste. The legislation is perfectly proper. I am not the father of the Bill, but proposed its second reading in the absence of Mr. Ross from Yale and Cariboo. I find that it was put on my files on Friday ; but in view of the request made me, I would ask that the Bill be allowed to stand.

Order allowed to stand.

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THE MONTREAL BRIDGE AND TERMINAL1 COMPANY.


Mr. PICHE moved second reading of Bill (No. 138,1 respecting the Montreal Bridge Company and to change its name to the Montreal Bridge and Terminal Company.


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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

The same objection applies to this Bill as to the other Bill. We have not got a copy of it.

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LIB
LIB

Camille Piché

Liberal

Mr. PICHE.

The same objection does not apply. It was brought from the Senate on Thursday last and distributed on Friday.

Motion agreed to and Bill read the second time.

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QUESTIONS.

INTERCOLONIAL RAILWAY-TRAFFIC ARRANGEMENTS.

CON

Mr. FOSTER asked :

Conservative (1867-1942)

1. What were the amounts received Irom foreign railways for use of cars under present traffic arrangements for exchange of cars, by Intercolonial Railway during the year ending 30th June last ?

2. What were the amounts received from Canadian railways ?

3. What were the amounts paid to foreign railways by Intercolonial Railway during the same period ?

4. What were the amounts paid to Canadian railways ?

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Subtopic:   INTERCOLONIAL RAILWAY-TRAFFIC ARRANGEMENTS.
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LIB

Charles Smith Hyman (Minister Without Portfolio)

Liberal

Hon. C. S. HYMAN (for the Minister of Railways) :

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April 17, 1905