March 17, 1905

LIB

Alexander Johnston

Liberal

Mr. A. JOHNSTON.

I wish to relieve the anxiety and apprehension of my hon. friend from Prince Edward Island (Mr. Lefurgey). I may have been living in a fool's paradise, but, as the minister knows I was under no apprehension about this matter. I thought the officers at Halifax were endeavouring to do their duty, and. during the nine years I have had to do with political affairs I have never made representations to the contrary to the minister or to any other person. But my suspicions were aroused by the statements made by my hon. friend from Montreal (Mr. Ames) and my hon. friend from Prince Edward Island (Mr. Lefurgey). These members upon their responsibility have brought to the notice of the House certain points with regard to these officers. I think it is the duty of the minister to make still further inquiry and ascertain whether there is any reason for the suspicion aroused by these hon. gentlemen.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

The hon. gentleman (Mr. A. Johnston) is laying down a different doctrine from that which his leader propounded this evening. The minister lays down the proposition that any complaint from this side of the House was not to be regarded as a complaint at all.

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CON

William Humphrey Bennett

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT.

Has any vessel been purchased by the government to be used as a lighthouse supply boat ? If so, what is her name and from whom was she purchased ? I do not know whether the government has ever had a boat that went about with supplies for the lighthouses. Has one been purchased by the department?

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Mr PREFONTAINE.

No.

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CON

William Humphrey Bennett

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT.

I see it stated in one of the papers that such a boat had been purchased.

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CON
LIB

Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

Nothing has been done.

Lighthouse and coast service-construction of lighthouses and aids to navigation, including apparatus, $500,000.

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Some hon. MEMBERS

Go on.

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CON

Herbert Brown Ames

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. AMES.

This Item brings up the discussion of the new aids to navigation from the St. Lawrence and the reports of the various bodies that have asked for improvements. I think it had better wait until we have more time.

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LIB

Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

I have all the information here including the maps and the plans.

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CON

Herbert Brown Ames

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. AMES.

But, it will take a long time to get the Information. Still of course, if the minister wishes to sit here until four o'clock in the morning, all right.

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LIB

Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

There is a way out of the difficulty. I am asking here for only $500,000. Last year we spent $850,000. Therefore it will be necessary for me to ask for a supplementary estimate. I think this item could be voted and any discussion that may be necessary take place on the supplementary item.

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CON

Herbert Brown Ames

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. AMES.

The subjects covered by the next four or five items require considerable discussion. There is this one of construction of lighthouses. There is the signal service-that can pass if you like. But there is an item to provide for the establishment of Marconi stations. We want considerable information about that. We also want a good deal of information about that submarine signal apparatus contract. Those three items might stand.

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LIB

Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

We might put through most of the items, and leave either that $500,000 item or the $100,000 item or the $75,000 item. I understand that the leader of the opposition has requested that the item to provide for submarine signal apparatus, $70,000, should be suspended for further information. This would involve a discussion of all the other items, I would give all the information I iiave before me now, and we could discuss the further papers that I am to bring down.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

Might I suggest to the minister that, of course, technically, it is all one item. No. 197-and, by Hie way, there seems to be a great divergence of practice in regard to the way in which items are numbered. In some departments we would find every one of these items with a distinct number, and I would think that the minister would get things cleared up more satisfactorily if he would put them in that way. As the whole item must stand, I would suggest to the minister that we might run through those that involve no discussion and leave about three that will involve discussion.

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CON

William Humphrey Bennett

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BENNETT.

I would ask the minister when his estimates are taken up again if he would please bring down the papers in connection with the cutting of timber on Hope island.

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LIB

Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

Those produced last year ?

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March 17, 1905