March 17, 1905

CON

Herbert Brown Ames

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. AMES.

What is the surplus that has accumulated in the hands of the government in connection with the sick mariners' fund ?

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Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

That goes into

the consolidated fund.

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LIB

Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

There is every

year a certain surplus that goes into the consolidated fund.

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LIB

Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

There is no surplus, I mean to say that though the government has collected more than it has expended in that service, the surplus does not appear in the books of the Finance Department, because it has gone into the general fund.

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Herbert Brown Ames

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. AMES.

Then to put the matter in another way, it is more a matter of bookkeeping than anything else. The minister states in his own report at page 19 that every year a considerably larger sum has been received than expended. For example, in 1904 about $50,000 were expended and $61,778 were received. The previous year, $48,000 were expended and $64,800 received. Now the minister says, that it is difficult at the present time to bring in legislation such as has been asked for by the Shipping Federation and by the Montreal Board of Trade, in reference to the sick mariners' dues. But is there any difficulty in reducing the amount of the dues ?-because every year he collects about 25 per cent more than is needed.

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Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

It may be done by legislation, and it may be done by abolishing the dues altogether.

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Herbert Brown Ames

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. AMES.

But in Montreal there are difficulties in the way of abolition, and no difficulties in the way of reducing the fees. If you collect $65,000 a year and only need $50,000, there can be no difficulty in reducing the rate of fees so that you will only collect about $50,000.

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Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

I agree that the reduction by 25 per cent would make a great difference, but that is not what the Shipping Federation are asking for, they are asking for complete abolition. That is a serious matter to be decided off-hand.

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John Howard Sinclair

Liberal

Mr. SINCLAIR.

I would ask the minister if the money spent on capital account for the construction of hospitals to take care of sick seamen, is taken into account in comparing the receipts and expenses ?

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Herbert Brown Ames

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. AMES.

Then the minister is not prepared to say when we can hope for legislation with a view to abolishing this system ?

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Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

If it is to be abolished, it will be done during the session.

Shipwrecked and distressed seamen, $3,000.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

This, I suppose, is for seamen belonging to Canadian steamers all over the world ?

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Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

Yes, and for foreigners also who have become stranded here.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

Is any part of it recovered ?

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Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. PREFONTAINE.

A sum has been recovered from the Board of Trade and from the Newfoundland government.

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Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

The Board of Trade

in England used to send out claims against ship-owners in this country for moneys advanced to seamen left behind or shipwrecked in foreign countries; and I suppose we have the same practice in recovering from ship-owners in Great Britain and other countries ?

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March 17, 1905