March 1, 1905

LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

There is not a connection in that sense. There is a steamship company that runs a boat, but not as part of the railway.

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CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

Does it not carry freight?

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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

Just as any other vessel would. But they are not run in connection with one another. I think he must admit that he was mistaken in putting the Prince Edward Island Railway in this class. His contention practically comes down to the Canada Eastern. He says I made a statement last year that, in order to help in making the Intercolonial pay the Canada Eastern should be purchased. I did not say that, or make any promise

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CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

But the hon. gentleman said that it would be a paying concern-

Mr. EMMERSON. No, I did not evengo as far as that. What I said was thatit was in the interest of the Intercolonial to purchase the Canada Eastern for the purpose of protecting its own territory and preventing it being invaded by the Canada Pacific Railway-that is, the northern section of the province. I. said it would be to the advantage

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Mr. SPROULE. In what Way ?

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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

To save to the Intercolonial the traffic it has hitherto enjoyed. If you did not secure that road you were ir. danger of having a large proportion of the traffic which has heretofore gone over the Intercolonial diveited from that road. That was the ground I took. I made no promise that the branch would pay. It is true, as the hon. member for Grenville (Mr. J. D. Reid) has stated, that the statement of the road for the last year preceding the purchase was a good one. I showed Horn the returns that there were years when the road had paid $30,000 or $40,000, and I think that one year it went as high as $50,000 of net earnings. It was for the House to draw its own conclusions from those figures. I gave no promise.

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CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

That is along the line 1 made the statement-it would be an advantage to the Intercolonial to gather up the freight and save its traffic. If you save its traffic, do you not help the road, and help to make the Intercolonial a paying concern ?

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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

We save the traffic that originates on the Intercolonial itself and has originated, but which would or might be gathered up by the Canadian Pacific Railway if they acquired the Canada Eastern. The Intercolonial now has com-Mr. SPROULE.

plete control of that traffic by acquiring the Canada Eastern and preventing any other railway from getting it. They save it for themselves and they prevent it from going out over the Canadian Pacific Railway.

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CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

Strange to say, we find the Intercolonial running further and further behind even after that is done. I think the government's book-keeping is wrong all the time. It should be an easy matter to know whether any portion of the road is paying or not. I understood the explanation of the minister was to the effect that it would be to the advantage of the Intercolonial, it would be a better paying concern if we had the Canada Eastern, and therefore he purchased it. Now he has to admit that the road is running still further behind than before he purchased the Canada Eastern.

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CON

John Dowsley Reid

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. D. REID.

I would like to hear the Minister of Finance on this question. The Minister of Railways has stated that for the last twenty-nine years they have not changed their mode of book-keeping in regard to the Intercolonial. Now could not the Minister of Finance join me in an appeal to the Minister of Railways to have this particular branch kept separate the next year or two, so that we may see exactly what the results are ?

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CON

Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

If the minister will not keep a separate account perhaps he would lay before the committee now a financial statement of the Cauada Eastern for the last two or three years, so that we may have the opportunity of making some comparisons. I am only asking the minister to give us the information that his government had already secured before they entered into the purchase of this road.

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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

I have already furnished it to the committee.

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L-C

Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

When this matter was up for discussion last year some hon. gentleman from Nova Scotia advocated the government purchasing a lot of these small lines of railways. I want to say, as a member representing a constituency in Ontario, a province in which the people have built their own local railways and paid for them, that we have no right to contribute towards purchasing these small lines of railways or assisting in their construction. It is about time that kind of thing was stopped. If the other provinces desire *to have local roads of a purely local character, they should, as the older provinces have done, construct them for themselves. As a representative from Ontario I desire to protest against this thing going any further. It is only fair to that province that other members from Ontario constituencies should -enter a protest, let some of the members sitting on the government side raise their voices against it. Ontario has been compared to a milch cow for a number of years,

it is about time that she was dry to calls of this kind.

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CON

Albert Edward Kemp

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. KEMP.

I would like to inquire from the minister if he is still carrying hay or other commodities free of charge ?

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Mr. EM MERSON@

Yes, we are carrying some hay that was ordered during the time of free transportation, but we could not furnish cars to carry it in consequence of difficulties in transportation.

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CON

Albert Edward Kemp

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. KEMP.

That will go on indefinitely,

I suppose ?

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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSOX.

Xo, there is a limit to the quantity ordered.

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CON

Albert Edward Kemp

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. KEMP.

Would the minister say on what principle he has been carrying hay free on the Intercolonial ? What precedent has he for that ?

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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSOX.

We had a precedent when there was a coal famine in Ontario and Quebec in 1902, when a like privilege was given to the municipalities to transport coal free over the Intercolonial from Xova Scotia coal mines, or from any point on the Intercolonial.

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CON

Albert Edward Kemp

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. KEMP.

I never heard of any coal being transported to Ontario points free of charge.

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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSOX.

There was. I dare say things have happened which my hon. friend has not heard of.

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March 1, 1905