March 1, 1905

CON

Haughton Lennox

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. LENNOX.

He is not in a position to tell us the amount of freight carried by the rival railway, the Canadian Pacific Railway. These are matters that an up-to-date minister, such as we have, should know. He is not able to tell us what equipment the Intercolonial requires. How is the committee to judge what amount of money should be voted, if the minister, who is substituted for another minister who was not found to be efficient, cannot tell us the first conditions which should be the basis on which we can vote this money.

Topic:   SUPPLY-INTERCOLONIAL RAILWAY, ANNUAL STATEMENT.
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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

I must say that I have not the information down to the niceity that my hon. friend would like.

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L-C

Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

Is any part of this expenditure to be on the Prince Edward Island Railway?

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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

No. This is simply for the Intercolonial Railway proper.

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

Will the hon. gentleman tell us what he proposes to do on the Canada Eastern Railway respecting the bridges?

Topic:   SUPPLY-INTERCOLONIAL RAILWAY, ANNUAL STATEMENT.
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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

That is not involved in this vote at all.

Mr. INGRAM, it is involved in my question, and there seems to be no other item on which I can discuss it. The hon. gentleman stated that the government had paid $800,000 for the Canada Eastern Railway, and he left the inference to be drawn that that was. the total expenditure on that road.

Topic:   SUPPLY-INTERCOLONIAL RAILWAY, ANNUAL STATEMENT.
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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

I hope the hon. gentle man will not draw any such inference.

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

That is the inference I was justified in drawing from the hon. gentleman's bald statement that the road cost this country $800,000; t>ut,tliat statement is not justified by the facts. In the first place, the government must know that it will require a very large expenditure to put that road in a good state of repair. We should be informed whether the government intends to use large engines, to strengthen the bridges and to replace the iron on that railroad or not, and we will wait with a good deal of patience for the hon. gentleman to give us some information on these points.

Topic:   SUPPLY-INTERCOLONIAL RAILWAY, ANNUAL STATEMENT.
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LIB

Honoré Hippolyte Achille Gervais

Liberal

Mr. GERVAIS.

I would like to ask the hon. Minister of Railways and Canals whether or not he intends to grant passes on the Intercolonial Railway to the twenty-four legislative councillors of the province of Quebec. As a matter of fact, I know that the members of the Legislative Assembly of that province have been receiving passes on the Intercolonial for years, and I think the members of the Legislative Council are entitled to the same privilege for the same good old reason which militates for the granting of passes to the members of the Legislative Assembly. I have been asking the hon. Minister of Railways and Canals many times for the granting of these passes, and I would like to know whether or not he intends to grant the prayer of our legislative councillors.

Topic:   SUPPLY-INTERCOLONIAL RAILWAY, ANNUAL STATEMENT.
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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

I would be very sorry if my hon. friend (Mr. Ingram) inferred from" any remarks that I made, either tonight or last year, that some expenditures would not he required on the Canada Eastern Railway. I stated that we had paid the Alexander Gibson Railway Company $800,000 for that road such as it was. We have operated it with an improved train service. The road is in such a good condition that we are running fast trains over it with small engines, it is true. We will not require to put on our heavy engines. We will not require to strengthen the bridges in the same way as we are doing on the main line. This is practically a branch line, and on all our branch lines we are not making the road up

to the standard of the main line. Therefore, I do not expect there will be any necessity for any very great expenditure on the Canada Eastern.

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CON

John Dowsley Reid

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. D. REID.

When the minister was submitting to the House the purchase of the Canada Eastern, he showed us that that railway had made, in the year before we purchased it, the magnificent sum of $2,900.

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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

More than that, was it not ?

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CON

John Dowsley Reid

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. D. REID.

No ; I think it was $2,900. Can he tell us if this year it is paying operating expenses ? Will he be able to show the House that, after operating it one year, it has given a revenue sufficient to pay 3 per cent on the money the government had to borrow to pay for it ?

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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

The conditions on that road, as on all other portions of the Intercolonial Railway this year, are such that I cannot promise any very great surplus. In fact, it is only a question how far down we can keep the deficit. But we are not to be judged by this year. I am in hopes that our climate will get back to its normal condition, and that things will go more favourably on the Intercolonial Railway and the Canada Eastern.

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CON

John Dowsley Reid

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. D. REID.

Are the operating expenses of that particular road now being kept entirely separate from those of the main line of the Intercolonial Railway, as is done in the case of the Prince Edward Island Railway ?

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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

No, it is treated just the same as any other branch of the Intercolonial Railway. The Prince Edward Island Railway is a railway separate and apart from the Intercolonial Railway, although under the management of the general manager of the government railway.

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CON

John Dowsley Reid

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. D. REID.

But that is not the system followed by private corporations. Take the Canadian Pacific Railway branch between Prescott and Ottawa ; it is part and parcel of the main line, and yet its expenses are kept entirely separate from those of the latter.

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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

But, although operated by the Canadian Pacific Railway, that road is run as a separate railway.

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CON

John Dowsley Reid

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. D. REID.

Why should not this be run in the same manner ?

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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

That would necessitate greater expense. Our book-keeping is done at Moncton for the whole system. We do not want to have a separate superintendent and separate officials and separate books for this road.

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March 1, 1905