February 22, 1905

CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

Such, for instance, as

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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

Very largely in connection with differences arising between different (transportation companies as to which shall have precedence, and so on ; he has to do with directing the men, where material is to be taken, and he must see that the boats do not go through at a higher speed than is required by the regulations.

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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

And all that would be excellently well understood by a tombstone maker.

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CON

George Halsey Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PERLEY.

I thank the minister. I simply wanted to get that information, because on that basis the man is a good man.

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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

What is the salary attached to the position ?

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Half Island Cove. ..@

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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

What are the duties such a man has to perform ?

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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

He has the employment and direction of the men, the looking after the repairs, the direction of the traffic passing through the canal as respects the opening of gates and the order in which vessels shall be taken through, and generally the oversight of the canal.

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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

Does the minister lay down the principle in employing men to be overseers of canals that it makes no difference at all whether they have had any previous experience in canal work-I mean the technical business details connected with the management of a canal ? Certainly there would not be much that a man would gain in a tombstone business to fit him for that particular kind of work. Surely there ought to be some special qualification in the line of the work which he has

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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

Yes, and a poet might do it.

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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

A thousand dollar man to take charge of a canal under the superintending engineer, it seems to me, ought to be a man who would have some knowledge of transportation ; at least, he should not be afraid of the water. He ought to know something about building, particularly that kind which goes on about a canal. The superintending engineer cannot be always on the works. He would lay out the works, as I understand, and the superintendent would see that they are completed according to his directions. It does not seem to me that a tombstone maker has any particular qualifications to entitle him to be chosen by a superintending engineer for this work. The minister says that there are no persons going up step by step. No, and there never will be any chance for them, so long as he goes outside to search for tombstone makers to make them superintendents of canals. Even though a man is a business man in a tombstone way, it does not follow that he would be a very capable man for this kind of work. He would always be looking forward to the future ; the present would have no interest

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for him. I would suppose that the experience acquired by a man engaged in tombstone work during the course of a long and mournful life would not be such as to qualify him for this class of work.

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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

My hon. friend will perhaps admit that a marble worker and even a carver of tombstones might be a good business man. A few years ago, when my hon. friend had some responsibility for the management of the canals, the superintendent of the Cornwall canal was a blacksmith, and I have not heard that that prevented his being a successful superintendent. In the Williamsburg canal the late government had a doctor as superintendent I do not know what particular qualification a doctor might have for the work except that he might be a good bone setter and set a broken leg in case of accident. After all it simply resolves itself down to this, that the man who makes a successful superintendent must have a good business head and good executive ability.

Mr. PEItLEY. I have listened attentively to what the hon. minister has said. But in the county I have the honour to represent,

I find that the position is supposed to be a political appointment and that the appointee must be politically qualified, whatever qualification he may have in other respects. 1 hope the hon. minister does not make all his appointments on that basis. As regards the man in question, whose name is McCoy, he is a very respectable citizen and a very decent fellow. If the appointment is to be a political one, I have no objection to this particular nomination, but I do not think it is good for the service to have the impression generally created that when a position of that sort becomes vacant on a canal, it can only be filled by some one who has political pull.

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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

Before making this appointment, I had the qualifications of the applicant inquired into, and the superintending engineer, Mr. Marceau, reported that he was well qualified. I carried out Mr. Marceau's recommendation. The appointment was not strictly political. Mr. McCoy was appointed on the recommendation of the superintending engineer, who said he was well qualified, but in addition he was a friend of the administration, and of course, other things being equal. I would give our friends the preference. That is a necessary incident of party government, and the case in question is one to which exception would not be taken by any hon. member opposite. They have had their day and may have it again in the distant future. We have followed what has been the course since confederation and what I fancy will be the course so long as party government prevails in Canada and human nature is what it is.

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CON

Edward Cochrane

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. COCHRANE.

What salary has this 1 gentleman and does he live near the canal ? Mr. FOSTER.

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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

A salary of $1,000 providing he attends to the duties of his position and regardless of where he lives.

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CON

Edward Cochrane

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. COCHRANE.

Does he get any pay for going to his work ? We have a superintendent on the Murray canal who gets $1,000 but who will not condescend to live near the canal. He lives in Brighton and is paid for 255 trips down to the canal at the rate of $1.50 a trip.

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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

He is not superintendent.

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CON

Edward Cochrane

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. COCHRANE.

He has charge of the canal and is called a superintendent with us. He gets $0 a month for his house and $6 a month for his office, but he has no other office than that which is in the government building. When he takes a trip down to Trenton he gets $3 a trip, and when he goes visiting his own home he charges the country $2 a trip. The hon, minister may laugh, but it is easy for him to laugh as he is not the one who pays.

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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

You should rebuke your own friends for laughing.

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CON

Edward Cochrane

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. COCHRANE.

The high school teacher in Brighton gets $1,000 a year and provides his own house. It is ridiculous to give this official $1,000 and then pay him for every day he goes down to his work. Every time the superintendent of the Murray canal goes from Brighton down to the canal he gets $1.50 a trip and the trips amounted to 255. He also gets $0 a month for his house allowance and $6 for the office, though he has no office except that built by the government. He gets paid for trips going down to Trenton, which is only a short distance from the eastern end of the canal, $3 a trip, and when he goes to the country to visit his friends he gets $2 a trip.

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February 22, 1905