February 22, 1905


Hon. RAYMOND PREFONTAINE (Minister of Marine and Fisheries) moved that the House go into Committee of Supply.


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Mr. I@

BORDEN (Carleton, Out.) Mr. Speaker, before you leave the chair, I would like to ask the right hon. Prime Minister (Sir Wilfrid Laurier) whether or not he has an answer to the question which I put in his absence the day before yesterday in regard to the alleged non-performance by the deputy returning officers in Manitoba of the duties which are distinctly cast upon them under the terms of the Dominion Election Act of 1900. I do not know whether the attention of my right hon. friend has been directed to what I then mentioned or not. I gave a reference to the statute under which the Clerk of the Crown in Chancery is obliged to provide lists for each of the polling sections as well as a reference to another section of the same statute under which the returning officers are bound to return to the Clerk of the Crown in Chancery certain documents and papers which have been used in the respective polling subdivisions. I pointed out also that these documents have not been returned to the Clerk of the Crown in Chancery, so that they cannot be made available in certain legal proceedings which are now pending in the province of Manitoba, and I would like to know whether or not the government is in possession of any information as to the conduct of these gentlemen who are officers of this House and whose conduct therefore is a legitimate subject of inquiry

In parliament and possibly of action by parliament.

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I may inform my hon. friend (Mr. R. L. Borden) that I received to-day two memoranda from the Clerk of the Crown in Chancery on this subject, but 1 have not yet been able to look at them. I will be able to give him an answer to-morrow.

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SEIZURE OF THE SCHOONER 'AGNES G. DONOHUE.'

LIB

Daniel Duncan McKenzie

Liberal

Mr. D. D. McKENZIE (Cape Breton).

Mr. Speaker, I desire to call the attention of the government to a report that appears in the Halifax Morning Chronicle of the 17th inst., in reference to the schooner Agnes G. Donahue and her crew. This is a vessel that was owned in the city of Halifax and which some time in September last started on a sealing voyage down to the southern sealing grounds. While on her way down there she was captured by the government of Uruguay, one of the republics of South America. My information is that she was seized on November 11 last, and that the crew of nineteen men and the captain are still prisoners on board of the schooner, that they are not allowed to leave the vessel and that although a trial took place in the Supreme Court of that country, nothing whatever has been proven against the schooner. Still, she is in the hands of the government, the nineteen men with the officers are still prisoners oh board the schooner and nobody is allowed to communicate with them. I am not sure whether this matter has been brought to the notice of the government or not, but I am sure that it is a question that shoud receive due consideration and immediate attention. I have been informed that some,steps were being taken by the authorities to make good the damages to the owners of the vessel, but I am also informed that there is nothing in contemplation to be done for the men. Now, Mr. Speaker, I would respectfully urge that as provision is being made for the owners of the vessel who have lost the services of the schooner and the profits that they might have made out of the voyage, some consideration also should be shown to the men. The men were only working on shares. They had no fixed wages from the owners of the schooner. They were to receive so much for each skin that was caught. These nineteen men are thrown out of their employment and the loss entailed upon them by the three or four months idleness during which they are kept prisoners, and the time it will take them to return to their homes again is a very serious matter to them.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

What was the alleged cause of the seizure ?

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LIB

Daniel Duncan McKenzie

Liberal

Mr. D. D. McKENZIE.

It is alleged that they were poaching, but I am informed on Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

what is considered good authority that there is no law or regulation in that country in respect to sealing, and that this vessel was four miles off the shore when she was captured and furthermore that although there was a trial nothing was proved against her. Although this case as an international question may be considered small, still to those who are particularly concerned it is a very big question, and I urge upon the government that if justice is to be done to these parties it should be done quickly. Where the home government has to deal with a matter of this kind progress is usually very slow. I hope that in dealing with this case there will not be a repetition of those slow methods if justice is to be done to those who are immediately concerned. I would respectfully commend this matter to the attention of the government.

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LIB

Joseph Raymond Fournier Préfontaine (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Hon. RAYMOND PREFONTAINE (Minister of Marine and Fisheries).

Mr. Speaker, the question is a new one to the House I am sure,, but it is not new to the department. We had a complaint, I think, about a month ago about this act on the part of this southern republic, the seat of whose government is at Montevideo. We took the matter in hand at once and we entered into communication with the home government in order to secure the release of the men. After a couple of cables we were informed that the men had been discharged, but that the government at Montevideo intended to keep the captain in jail although there- was no law to keep him in jail, but from the information we gathered they were preparing the law to meet the case. We, therefore, again put ourselves in communication with the home government and presented the facts as we were informed. We have received no reply yet to the last communication we have had with the home government on the question. I understand that the British consul at Montevideo is doing his best under the circumstances. It is one of these extraordinary cases that will happen now and then in these countries. The hon. gentleman may rest assured that we are not at all losing sight of the question and we are anxious for an early settlement so that justice may be done to a Canadian.

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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

You are not sending the

Canada down there.

Motion agreed to and House went into Committee of Supply.

Railways and Canals-chargeable to income-arbitrations and awards, $4,000.

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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

This is the usual vote.

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CON

Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

Would the minister explain how that amount was expended last year?

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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

We only expended up to .Tan. 31 $115.20 out of the $4,000. A vote of $4,000 is taken annually ; sometimes the full amount is expended, sometimes it is not.

Surveys and inspections-canals, $3,000.

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CON

George Halsey Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PERLEY.

Has tlie superintendent been appointed for the Carillon and Grenville canal, and if so, who?

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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

A gentleman was recommended to me whose name I think was McCoy.

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CON

George Halsey Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PERLEY.

Will the minister tell me what his experience consists of and what his previous business was?

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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

X will not be certain as to that. The name was submitted to the superintending engineer of the canal to inquire as to his qualifications; the chief engineer tells me that Mr. Marceau is quite satisfied with the qualifications and with the information which is secured with respect to the nominee or candidate for the position. My instructions were carried out and his appointment has been made.

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CON

George Halsey Perley

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. PERLEY.

I would like to ask the hon. minister whether he expects a man in this position to be really the superintendent of the canal, or whether he is appointed nominally for the sake of the salary ; because I am given to understand that this man has been hitherto a marble cutter and manufacturer of tombstones ?

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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

The superintending engineer is the man with the technical skill, while the superintendent or overseer is required to be simply a business man, with the ordinary tact and judgment that would be required for the carrying on of any business.

to do to fit him for a position of that kind and to entitle him to his salary.

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LIB

Henry Robert Emmerson (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. EMMERSON.

On all these canals the work of construction is under the charge of the superintending engineer. The superintendent as such has nothing whatever to do with that. There are no men in training for positions as superintendents of canals. There are men employed as labourers, for the opening and closing of gates and the turning of bridges, but there are no men who are in a lower position and who climb up step by step to a higher. I have no doubt that occasionally there might be a man who commenced on the canal as a labourer and who would eventually reach a much higher position ; but these are very few and far between, and the only thing that is left for the department to do is to select men with good business qualifications, with tact and judgment and some executive ability, because they have to carry on transactions on the canal in a business way with the public.

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February 22, 1905