February 21, 1905


Amendment agreed to. On section 33-penalty for refusal or neglect to till up schedule, &c.


LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

In this ease there is a difference in the fine. The fine is made $100 and not less than $10 in the present Act, this will make it uniform with some other provisions in other parts of the Act. In the old Act of 1858, the Census Act, the fine is $10 and not less than $1; but in the General Statistics Act and the Criminal Statistics Act it is $100 and $10. This makes the fine uniform.

On section 40,

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. IISHER.

This is new, but it is simply carrying out the Act and is for the purpose of obtaining information by correspondence through the mail and not bv personal application.

signed within a stated time by the occupant of such house or part of a house, or in his absence by some other member of the family, shall, as against the oicupant', be a sufficient requirement so to fill up and sign the schedule, though the occupant is not named in the notice, or personally served therewith.-R.S., c. 58, s. 23.

l'ou might leave the notice in such a way that it will never come to his attention. You might leave it with some one who is absolutely unauthorized. The usual provision in legislation of this kind is that it shall be left with some adult person in the House for the person for whom it is intended and that is certain guarantee that it will in the end reach the person from whom it is intended. I am rather surprised to find that the legislation was passed originally in this1 form.

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

That portion of the clause is exactly the same as section 23 of the Census Act, and subsection 2 is the same practically repeated to apply to correspondence. We propose to collect a great deal of information through the mails and we require power to act in the same way as if the schedules were left personally at the House. I do not think that in the practical working of it there will be any great difficulty. I can conceive that it might be used unfairly, but I take it that this power if given will be used properly and rightly by the government or the minister.

On section 41-remuneration of persons employed under this Act.

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER moved :

That section 41 be amended by inserting after the word ' shall ' in the first line thereof the words ' subject to the approval of the Governor in Council.'

He said : I think this remuneration ought to be given by Order in Council and not by tile minister.

Section as amended agreed to.

On section 15-agricultural, commercial, criminal, educational, manufacturing and other statistics.

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

I would like to go back to clause 15 which was held over for further consideration. I wish to add a provision to that clause in the sense of the suggestion that was brought forward here the other night so as to ensure that no individual or particular investigation shall be held into the details of the business of any individual concern. This is what the Department of Justice have drawn up to cover the point.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

Both of the subsections of this section may be used a little op-pi essively. I do not suppose that any practical difficulty will result but they go rather fur. Subsection 1 provides that:

Provided that the Governor in Council shall not. nor shall the minister in the execution of the powers conferred by this section, discriminate between individuals or companies to the prejudice of such Individual or company.

The leaving, by an enumerator, at any house or part of a house, of any schedule purporting to be issued under this Act, and having thereon a notice requiring that it be filled up and

I may say that the remarks of the hon. gentleman who brought this matter up were carefully examined and looked into and iu the opinion of the Department of Justice

this is the most practical and most effective way to cover the idea as expressed.

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Angus Claude Macdonell

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MACDONELL.

What I would like to suggest to the hon. minister is that the addition of the words to the amendment 'either in the collection or publication of such information ' is desirable. I think it would be well to introduce these words to actually express what the intention is. That was the objection that was raised on the occasion to which the hon minister refers.

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

I think that is covered by the whole clause. This proviso covers the whole clause and the whole clause deals with the collection and publication of statistics. Therefore, I think this proviso applies to the point that my hon. friend alludes to.

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CON

Angus Claude Macdonell

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MACDONELL.

But I think it might or might not be construed as applying to the whole clause. It would put it beyond the realm of doubt if these words were inserted and it would round off the phrase and give it significance.

Section as amended, agreed to.

Bill reported, and amendments read the first and second times.

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SUPPLY.


House in Committee of Supply. Trent canal. $300,000.


CON

Henry Alfred Ward

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WARD.

I would like to ask the Minister of Railways, if he were present, some questions about the surveys that are now being made with regard to the Trent Valley canal. In answer to some questions recently asked, the minister made reply that surveys were being made by way of Port Hope, Cobourg and Trenton. I was very anxious that the minister should be present in order to explain why a survey was being made by way of Cobourg and I would rather not go on with this item until the minister is here to make that explanation.

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LIB

William Mulock (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Sir WILLIAM MULOCIC.

The Minister of Railways thought that supply would not be reached until nine o'clock and he will not be here until that hour.

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CON

Henry Alfred Ward

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WARD.

Perhaps the Postmaster General can give the information.

Sir WILLIAM MULOCIC I would not like to usurp my colleague's position, but if the hon. gentleman would like to have the item stand until the minister's arrival, perhaps it would be better.

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L-C

Samuel Hughes

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. SAM. HUGHES.

From a little experience which we had the other day I understand that the Postmaster General is about running a canal up the valley to Newmarket and Aurora. I think he might fill in the time until the arrival of the Minister of Railways and Canals by giving us a Mr. FISHER.

description of that canal and all the data in connection with it.

Sir WILLIAM MULOCIC There is a very large deputation in the interest of that enterprise in the city and they will set forth its merits before the government to-morrow at 10.30 o'clock. If my hon. friend (Mr. Sam. Hughes) and others interested will come with them at that time they will obtain more detailed information. However, if the hon. gentlemen desire to have it stand, the Minister of Agriculture will proceed with his estimates.

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CON

Edward Cochrane

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. COCHRANE.

Have the surveyors made a report of that road into the riding of the Postmaster General?

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LIB

William Mulock (Minister of Labour; Postmaster General)

Liberal

Sir WILLIAM MULOCIC.

I am not able to answer any one of these questions.

Item allowed to stand.

Patent Record. $17,000.

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CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

Are these items covered by the portion of the Auditor General's Report which has been brought down ?

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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

I think the last volume of the Auditor General's Report was laid on the table of the House yesterday.

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February 21, 1905