February 15, 1905

L-C

Samuel Hughes

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. SAM. HUGHES.

I desire to call the attention of the House to the fact that on a recent occasion the First Minister, who is nearly as important in the House as the acting Minister of Fublie Works, took occa-. sion, in answer to a question asked him by one of his supporters, to give a deliberate answer taking about twenty minutes to read. He answered the question with great detail, but when a member of this side asks a question that requires a particular answer he is asked to make a motion for a return. There is not a question here to which, if the minister had his work properly prepared when he brought his estimates before the House he would not have the answer at his finger ends in five minutes. He says he cannot get the information as to the horse-power of these dredges. He has a colleague who poses as a very efficient Minister of Marine and in his department there should be a record of every matter of this kind. I must protest against

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

the Minister of Public Works giving any such answer to questions that are placed on the order paper; it is not treating the House with proper respect.

Topic:   THE ANSWERING OF QUESTIONS BY MINISTERS.
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LIB
CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

If a minister cannot answer a question the first time it is asked, it is usual to request a delay until he can get the information, perhaps a portion of it from other departments. We frequently allow questions to stand for a considerable length of time until the information is obtainable.

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ANGLO-AMERICAN CONVENTION RESPECTING PROPERTY.

CON

Robert Laird Borden (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. R. L. BORDEN.

Before the Orders of the Day are called, I would ask the gov-eminent to be good enough to lay upon the table of the House any correspondence between this government and the Imperial government as well as between this government and the governments of the different provinces, with respect to a convention between the United Kingdom and the United States of America relative to the disposal of real and personal property which was signed at Washington on March 2, 1899, and of which ratifications were exchanged att Washington on July 28, 1900. My reason for adverting to it is that by the terms of the fourth article of the convention, the stipulations of the convention are not to be appli-

cable to any of the colonies or foreign possessions of Her Britannic Majesty unless notice to that effect shall be given on behalf of such colony or foreign possession by Hei' Majesty's representative at Washington to the United States Secretary of State within one year from the date of the exchange of ratifications of the present convention. So far as il can gather, no such notice has been given on behalf of Canada, and therefore I would like to know what is the nature of the correspondence between this government and the governments to which I have referred.

Topic:   THE ANSWERING OF QUESTIONS BY MINISTERS.
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CENSUS AND STATISTICS.


House in committee on Bill (No. 5) respecting the Census and Statistics-Mr. Fisher. On section 3,-permanent office of census and statistics and its officers ; appointment of census officers and commissioners,


LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. PUSHER.

The first part of this clause is new, and establishes the permanent office. The second part is the same as the provision in the Census Act, and gives to the minister the usual authority for taking the census.

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Subtopic:   CENSUS AND STATISTICS.
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CON

Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

Has the minister any persons in view to occupy these positions ?

Topic:   THE ANSWERING OF QUESTIONS BY MINISTERS.
Subtopic:   CENSUS AND STATISTICS.
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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

I would as much as possible take the men now in the employ of the department, to take charge of the work and to do the work.

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Subtopic:   CENSUS AND STATISTICS.
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CON

Richard Blain

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BLAIN.

Can the hon. gentleman give the committee any information as to what salaries these gentlemen will get ?

Topic:   THE ANSWERING OF QUESTIONS BY MINISTERS.
Subtopic:   CENSUS AND STATISTICS.
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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

Topic:   THE ANSWERING OF QUESTIONS BY MINISTERS.
Subtopic:   CENSUS AND STATISTICS.
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CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

You are giving the same salary as to the head of a department and the same status.

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Subtopic:   CENSUS AND STATISTICS.
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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

The same salary, but not the same status as I have not the intention of making it a separate department.

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Subtopic:   CENSUS AND STATISTICS.
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CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

If you give the same salary, that amounts to the same thing.

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Subtopic:   CENSUS AND STATISTICS.
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LIB

Sydney Arthur Fisher (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. FISHER.

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CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

If you lay out as much money on this new branch or department, or whatever you choose to call it, the result as regards the public exchequer is practically the same. We should have a more definite statement as to the number of hands that will be required and the salaries to be paid them. As it is we are only given the information about two new officers, and without having a pretty fair idea of what really this new department involves, I don't see how we can be in a position to pass upon the project.

Mr. FISHER, Until the work is organized it will be quite impossible to state definitely how many employees will be required. It is new work and the number of employees and their salaries will be limited by the amount voted. At present, in addition to those on the civil list, there are six or seven employees doing work in my department which is covered by the provisions of this Bill. That is they are employed on general statistics work. There are three others paid out of the vote for general statistics but who are merely working on the Year-book. The six or seven employed on general statistics would have to be increased if this Bill passes, and that increase would be determined when the work is elaborated. Probably as many as four or five more would be required to be employed permanently besides such temporary clerical assistance as may be deemed necessary.

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Subtopic:   CENSUS AND STATISTICS.
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CON

Thomas Simpson Sproule

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPROULE.

My hon. friend has given us to understand that there will be at least twelve employed in that branch among whom the money voted will be divided. What will be likely to take place next year and the years following ? Those employed will require larger salaries and more money will have to be voted. We will find that additional third-class clerks will have to be engaged, and that clerks will be promoted from one class to another, entailing every year an increased vote, and in the end this branch will reach the dignity of a department, so far as the expenditure is concerned. It does seem to me that we have not got all the information we should have. We have no definite information as to what this branch will do beyond dealing in statistics.

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February 15, 1905