February 14, 1905

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LIB

Charles Smith Hyman (Minister Without Portfolio)

Liberal

Mr. HYMAN.

I have no knowledge of his former occupation.

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George William Fowler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOWLER.

It is of importance that the department should know his former occupation.

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CON

George William Fowler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOWLER.

Not only may be but is. There was an instance in the town of Sussex where I reside, the principal town in King's, part of my constituency. The clerk of works in charge of an important woi'k was a tailor by occupation and was in active work as a tailor. He had no previous knowledge of building and was not a mechanic except with his needle, and yet he was put in charge of the construction of that building as clerk of works. He was paid $3, or I think it was $3.50 a day. This man must be a mechanic because he is only getting $3 a day whereas the other, on account of his superior qualifications as

41 tailor, got $3.50. The contract price for the building was $4,300, but this clerk of works, who was a tailor, drew $1,900 as clerk of works.

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LIB

Charles Smith Hyman (Minister Without Portfolio)

Liberal

Mr. HYMAN.

I am not disputing the hon. gentleman, I have no knowledge of it.

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CON

George William Fowler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOWLER.

He will find if he refers, to the accounts that they will bear out the statement.

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LIB

Charles Smith Hyman (Minister Without Portfolio)

Liberal

Mr. HYMAN.

He must have been a good tailor.

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CON

George William Fowler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOWLER.

He knew how to make a bill, which they say is a requisite of a good tailor.

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CON

George William Fowler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOWLER.

Evidently there was lots of cabbage. It seems that the department forgot he was employed and he kept on drawing his pay all the time. The building occupied four months in construction but he was kept on for a year and a half. I hope the same mistake will not be made hi this case, and that is why I asked the minister what this person was. I would like the minister to find out from his officers.

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LIB

Charles Smith Hyman (Minister Without Portfolio)

Liberal

Mr. HYMAN.

I suppose the hon. member from the constituency can give the information.

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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL.

I think I can give some information to the hon. member for King's (Mr. Fowler). I can tell him that the clerk is Mr. Drysdale, who has been a contractor for probably 25 or 30 years, and who, some 15 or 20 years ago, had charge of the building of the record building in Woodstock.1 He has been engaged in work of this kind all his lifetime. My hon. friend (Mr. Fowler) I would imagine objects to the construction of this building.

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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL.

I am glad to hear him say so. Perhaps no item here to-night is more necessary than this armoury and drill hall in Woodstock, in the county of Carle-ton, N.B. which I represent. We have there the 67th Regiment, an eight company regiment, the Woodstock Field battery and the Brighton Engineers, the oldest in Canada. For want of accommodation the Woodstock bah tery is still armed with the old 9-pounder guns and will be until we can get proper accommodation for the new equipment. The Brighton engineers have never yet received their equipment, although two years ago the establishment was increased to almost double its former strength and given 28 horses or whatever the ordinary equipment of an engineer company is, and yet on account of lack of accommodation they are not able to receive the equipment. The 67th Regiment is still armed with the old Snider rifle for want of the accommodation Mr. FOWLER.

and four of five years ago it was felt by the department that they should build an armoury in Woodstock. The result was that in 1902 the vote was placed in the estimates for an armoury at Woodstock and then it was only intended to have an armoury. A site was purchased for $1,250 and before that site was purchased the Department of Militia and Defence took pains to find out the value of the land from independent sources, and it has never been questioned in this House or I think, in the country, that the price paid was reasonable and just. It was afterwards decided by the department that this building would not be large enough to meet the requirements of the militia under the new conditions. A battery of field artillery formerly consisted of 6 guns and 6 ammunition wagons ; to-day it would be 6 guns and 24 ammunition wagons besides forage and store wagons. At that time the accommodation of the engineers would not occupy a space of more than 30 or 40 feet square, but now it would take four times that space, and therefore it was decided to be inadvisable to erect a building according to the plans, although tenders had been called for. The department then looked for another site and they found that they could buy the rink property for a reasonable price and that the owners were willing to take the other property in part payment. The result was that the Rink property was purchased, tenders were called for and the contract was let. I can assure the committee and the hon. member for King's that we will have ample accommodation for all the militia in the county. We will have, besides, accommodation for the Woodstock Field battery and the engineers, a drill hall which will be 60 x 100 feet. It will be a modern building, the front part of which will be 30 x 100 feet, will be solid brick, and when completed will be a credit to the department and to the town of Woodstock, and will fill a long felt want for the militia of the county of Carleton. I can assure the committee that the clerk of works is actively engaged, that the contractor is drawing materials to the ground every day and that there can be no objection to this clerk of works. I do not think any gentleman in this House would find fault with the construction of the building.

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George William Fowler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOWLER.

I was not raising any objection, I was simply asking if the department, having made a mistake in Sussex by appointing a tailor to superintend the erection of a building, were guarding against the occurrence of a similar mistake in this case. The hon. gentleman should be thankful to me for giving him an opportunity to fire oft_that battery of artillery with which lie waST loaded up.

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Samuel Hughes

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. SAM. HUGHES.

The hon. gentleman who has just taken his seat (Mr. Car-vell) has pointed out that this is for an eight

company regiment. He seems to fail to recognize that these companies keep their arms at company headquarters and will not keep them in the drill shed. He pointed out that the Brighton engineers have no accommodation for their materials. I presume that the engineers' material and the guns of the battery can be kept in the drill shed, but I want the minister to explain these tilings to the House. I understood there was going to be an agreement made between the Department of Militia and the Department of Public Works as to some set form for these regimental or comnty armouries. If they are all to cost $35,600 or $50,000 I shall be delighted that the one for Victoria shall cost that sum. However, I hope that the Departments of Pubic Works and Militia will keep in mind the principle that these buildings should not be made too large at one point and too small at another, but should be commodious at all points and of uniform quality, so that there could be no fault found in any part. Is there any ground in connection with this drill shed other than the site of the shed itself ? How many acres adjoin it

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LIB

Charles Smith Hyman (Minister Without Portfolio)

Liberal

Mr. HYMAN.

I understand there is no ground that could be used for drilling purpose.

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Samuel Hughes

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. SAM. HUGHES.

That is a serious mistake. There should be grounds outside in connection with all these as in the old plans. There should be a large area. The only time the regiment will form up there is when it happens to go to or come from the annual camp. Then it should certainly have a large area outside for a parade ground.

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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL.

There are two pieces of land in the rear of the building which could be purchased a a reasonable price, and I Will take the hint given by my hon. friend and ask the department to purchase them.

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February 14, 1905