February 13, 1905

CON

George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

Look at page 750. The total collections were $474,420. The revenue that the provinces got is a very large revenue. It amounts to $231,000.

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William Paterson (Minister of Customs)

Liberal

Mr. PATERSON.

The explanation of that must be that knowing that the tax was to be increased there was an extra rush into the country at that time.

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George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

My hon. friend is a most versatile man.

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LIB

William Paterson (Minister of Customs)

Liberal

Mr. PATERSON.

That is the fact because none have come in since.

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George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

The hon. minister gave all these reasons why none came in and now he gives another reason why 4,719 came in.

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LIB

William Paterson (Minister of Customs)

Liberal

Mr. PATERSON.

It was owing to the fact that they knew that there was to be a raise from $100 to $500 and the Chinamen were sharp enough to get in before the tax of $500 came into effect, while those who did not get in are evidently staying away from us.

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George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

I ask the hon. gentleman to take a little of the advice he gave to my hon. friend from South York (Mr. Maclean) and just take a square hour and read over his own report.

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William Paterson (Minister of Customs)

Liberal

Mr. PATERSON.

That is not my report. I have hardly as much spare time as my hon. friend, but he has given me convincing proof of what I have said that all the information he seeks for he can get if he only looks for it. He has set me right in reference to that matter and I have no doubt that if he pursues his investigations further he would be able to answer my hon. friend from South York.

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Andrew B. Ingram

Liberal-Conservative

Mr. INGRAM.

I think the British Columbia newspapers will support the statement made by my hon. friend from South York. They charge that Chinese are entering Canada in the eastern portion of Canada. We have also the statement made by the hon. member for Nanaimo (Mr. Smith) who quoted the ' Nanaimo Free Press ' to the effect that Chinamen were entering Canada and that some of them were even accompanied by a special officer of the department. The impression seems to be that the Chinamen are coming into Canada in the eastern portion of Canada.

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Robert George Macpherson

Liberal

Mr. MACPHERSON.

I can hardly let the statement the hon. member for North Mr. PATERSON.

Toronto (Mr. Foster) has made that 4,719 Chinamen came into the country last year pass without saying a word or two in regard to it. If the Trade and Commerce report shows that for the whole of the year 1904 a certain number of Chinamen came in that statement must apply to the year ending the first of January, 1904.

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George Eulas Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOSTER.

I can only take the report and I must take it as being authentic. The report tells me that up to the 30th June, 1904, for the year 1904 there were 128 exempted, 4,719 paid fees and there were these collections, refunds and the like of that. There is no doubt about that information. How many have come in since 30th of June, 1904, up to last of the calendar year I do not know.

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LIB

Robert George Macpherson

Liberal

Mr. MACPHERSON.

I would point out to my hon. friend from North Toronto that since the imposition of the tax there have been no Chinamen coming into this country with the exception of the few who are specially exempted.

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George William Fowler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOWLER.

When did the tax become operative ?

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Robert George Macpherson

Liberal

Mr. MACPHERSON.

On the first of January.

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George William Fowler

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. FOWLER.

1905 ?

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Robert George Macpherson

Liberal

Mr. MACPHERSON.

1904. The tax has been in vogue for the past year. Chinamen have not been coming in. I would tell my hon. friend from South York (Mr. Maclean} that if Chinamen are coming into eastern Canada we are very pleased to know it, as they must be coming from British Columbia. We had the scourge long enough with us. They are not now coming into British Columbia. We suffered very severely from the great horde of Chinamen coining into the country and the tax has been a splendid thing as far as British Columbia is concerned. You are now getting them and you will find very shortly that you will have the people rising up and demanding that they shall be shut out.

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William Findlay Maclean

Independent Conservative

Mr. MACLEAN.

But the dumping clause cannot apply to Ontario.

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Robert George Macpherson

Liberal

Mr. MACPHERSON.

Well I suppose that you have lots of Chinamen in Ontario who do not wear long queues.

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Uriah Wilson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. U. WILSON.

I do not see how it is that these books do not agree. The Department of the Interior has charge of immigration. It gives a list of the immigrants that come in, but I do not find any Chinamen in the list while in the report of the Department of Trade and Commerce my hon. friend from North Toronto has found the record of a very large number of Chinamen.

In addition to that I asked the minister some time ago for the number of preventive officers he had employed, and he did not

give us that information. I think before the item is passed he should give the number of preventive officers and try to make some explanation. The reports with reference to immigration ought all to agree. I do not see why the Department of the Interior should get one report and the Department of Trade and Commerce another. I have asked the minister to give the number of officers who are employed to prevent Chinamen coming into this country and he does not see fit to answer.

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LIB

William Paterson (Minister of Customs)

Liberal

Mr. PATTERSON.

I am sorry the hon. gentleman understood that I would not answer. I was trying to get the information that would enable me to answer him satisfactorily. I am told that there are six special officers who are under the Department of Trade and Commerce, but all the customs officers have the circulars and know the regulations with reference to Chinese and it is part of their duty to see that no Chinaman shall enter without paying the capitation tax. But they are officers of customs. The deputy tells me that there are six interpreters and officers especially charged with this duty who are under the pay of the Department of Trade and Commerce.

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February 13, 1905